HMS Queen Elizabeth

[Fr J Hackett]

Air conditioning unit fire apparently. Another few job cards for the Rosyth dockyard mateys.

Air conditioning in Scotland in February Pull the other one it's got bells on.

 

[capnsensible]

Air conditioning in Scotland in February Pull the other one it's got bells on.

Well it won't have got jammed up with midges.

 

[jac]

Well it won't have got jammed up with midges.

Yet

 

[Daydream believer]

Well it won't have got jammed up with midges.

Wrong sort of midges?

 

[ProDave]

Air conditioning unit fire apparently. Another few job cards for the Rosyth dockyard mateys.

You don't get many AC unit fires. I wonder, there is a growing trend to use Propane as the refrigerant gas, which we all know is somewhat flamable. If that is used, a refrigerant leak is somewhat more of a hazard.

I guess we will never know.

 

[wully1]

You don't get many AC unit fires. I wonder, there is a growing trend to use Propane as the refrigerant gas, which we all know is somewhat flamable. If that is used, a refrigerant leak is somewhat more of a hazard.

I guess we will never know.

The last HVAC fire I was involved in was caused by misaligned fan drive belts overheating and catching fire. A LOT of smoke and virtually no flame. I doubt a warship would be dumb enough to use propane but these white elephants are so badly thought out it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

[SaltIre]

The last HVAC fire I was involved in was caused by misaligned fan drive belts overheating and catching fire. A LOT of smoke and virtually no flame.

How long did it take you to extinguish the fire?

 

[Slowboat35]

but these white elephants are so badly thought out it wouldn’t surprise me.

Pity they didn't employ such a stupendously well-informed naval design ex-spurt like you as a consultant then.
I wonder why they didn't?

 

[Daydream believer]

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[wully1]

How long did it take you to extinguish the fire?

A few minutes, it was hard to see for all the smoke.

 

[wully1]

Pity they didn't employ such a stupendously well-informed naval design ex-spurt like you as a consultant then.
I wonder why they didn't?

It doesn’t take much intelligence to work out building two huge ships that there is neither the crews to properly man or the support fleet to operate them.
They are vanity symbols harking back to a long gone empire, as stupid a waste of money as a new fleet of submarines we will never use in anger - or if we did most of us would be dead or very close to it.

 

[Bouba]

It doesn’t take much intelligence to work out building two huge ships that there is neither the crews to properly man or the support fleet to operate them.
They are vanity symbols harking back to a long gone empire, as stupid a waste of money as a new fleet of submarines we will never use in anger - or if we did most of us would be dead or very close to it.

The ships are highly automated so don’t need so much man power.....and they are building more support ships and more escorts....plus the ships will get modified over time....that is why they are big so there is always room for modifications. Remember that the ships have a fifty year life span...and due to budget restraints, it’s regarded as a fifty year project....eventually (if politicians don’t interfere....and they can’t help themselves) it will all eventually be sorted

 

[Daydream believer]

it will all eventually be sorted

At the speed we go that will be just in time to scrap them.
Modifications are so badly organised, that they take ages to manage & complete. So that suggests that the vessels will be laid for a large part of their life.
One would think that a decent minister would make MOD streamlining a prority. Instead they spend it mincing on the global stage.
As for support vessels. Do you not think that they might have come first. Supply vessels supply the rest of the fleet as well. so selling off the ones we already have seems a pretty silly move.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

The ships are highly automated so don’t need so much man power.....and they are building more support ships and more escorts....plus the ships will get modified over time....that is why they are big so there is always room for modifications. Remember that the ships have a fifty year life span...and due to budget restraints, it’s regarded as a fifty year project....eventually (if politicians don’t interfere....and they can’t help themselves) it will all eventually be sorted

Didn't I read that due to budget constraints they weren't designed for assisted take off or something which can't be retrofitted and severely limits them.

 

[Bouba]

At the speed we go that will be just in time to scrap them.
Modifications are so badly organised, that they take ages to manage & complete. So that suggests that the vessels will be laid for a large part of their life.
One would think that a decent minister would make MOD streamlining a prority. Instead they spend it mincing on the global stage.
As for support vessels. Do you not think that they might have come first. Supply vessels supply the rest of the fleet as well. so selling off the ones we already have seems a pretty silly move.

They are designed to be laid up two thirds of their life...but because there is only two they have to be stretched to be ready fifty percent of the time...and recently they have both been on active service together

 

[SaltyC]

At the speed we go that will be just in time to scrap them.
Modifications are so badly organised, that they take ages to manage & complete. So that suggests that the vessels will be laid for a large part of their life.
One would think that a decent minister would make MOD streamlining a prority. Instead they spend it mincing on the global stage.
As for support vessels. Do you not think that they might have come first. Supply vessels supply the rest of the fleet as well. so selling off the ones we already have seems a pretty silly move.

Far too logical for our residents in Westminster, it assumes a knowledge of one's subject.
I am perplexed that we have laid up support vessels due to shortage of manpower to crew them - who will crew the new support vessels?
There must be a cunning plan hidden from us

 

[Bouba]

Didn't I read that due to budget constraints they weren't designed for assisted take off or something which can't be retrofitted and severely limits them.

Keeping a force of assisted take off aircraft requires around the clock training and is beyond the budget of the military.....vertical landing is easy to teach and doesn’t require as much practice.
Also at least one carrier might get equipped with a small catapult for drones....and the plan is to change that for a bigger then once again a bigger catapult....it’s all down to finance

 

[Fr J Hackett]

Keeping a force of assisted take off aircraft requires around the clock training and is beyond the budget of the military.....vertical landing is easy to teach and doesn’t require as much practice.
Also at least one carrier might get equipped with a small catapult for drones....and the plan is to change that for a bigger then once again a bigger catapult....it’s all down to finance

I bow to your nerdiness

 

[Daydream believer]

.....vertical landing is easy to teach and doesn’t require as much practice.

Yes, you are right. It is one of the first skills I learned with my RC planes.
Needs a lot of planes though & pilots

 

[Daydream believer]

Far too logical for our residents in Westminster, it assumes a knowledge of one's subject.
I am perplexed that we have laid up support vessels due to shortage of manpower to crew them - who will crew the new support vessels?
There must be a cunning plan hidden from us

I hear stories from people trying to join the forces. They are interviewed by Capita tele sales people ticking boxes. Then the process can take up to a year to get approved. Some have waited 2 years. By which time they have got another job & lost interest, so do not go forward.
One chap reported that they had lost his details, so asked him to go though the initial approval again. Needless to say he told them to stuff it.
Why on earth it cannot be done within one month like any normal job beats me. In fact a decent desk sergeant could possibly weed out the no hopers in 10 minutes ( they are the ones that used to get first pick)