HIN and build year.

[Sneaky Pete]

I am looking around for another boat. What I have come across a couple of times is advertising a boat of a particular year, but on further enquiries have found that it was the year it was commissioned and not build year. Example being boat advert as being a 2013. HIN states D2 13.
As I understand it this would be boat built start April 2012 and then commissioned 2013.
Am I right to say the boat should be advertised as and when it was built?

 

[EugeneR]

This is quite normal and no different to your car reg reflecting when it was first registered, as opposed to when it was built.

To clarify, the 13 in your example is the model year, not year of commission.

 

[jrudge]

You example shows a2013 model boat.

I would go by the model year and not the commissioning date.

Model years change in about July any way so a 2013 model could well have been built in 2012 and if they then try to say commissioned in 2014 you have deducted 2years!

Commissioned date is all well and good but it just means it took time to sell.

They won’t highlight the other way round ... 2015 boat commissioned in 2014!

 

[jon and michie]

If the advert stated its build year and commissioned year then in my opinion there's no deception.
When I bought mine it was advertised as built in 2005 and commissioned in 2007.
Jon

 

[Sneaky Pete]

Thanks. There are a few boats being advertised and the advert will state 2013 boat. It is a bit misleading when the craft was built earlier in 2012. As a buyer I would be looking for the build year and nothing else to reflect the price of the boat. Always good to check build certificate or actual HIN on the craft itself.

 

[jon and michie]

I would consider the commissioned year and the build year as this may reflect on how many hours the engine/s have.
As I said earlier mine is a 2005 not commissioned till 2007 and with 230 hours on the clock. So had low hours.
Jon

 

[[2068]]

I think both bits of information are useful.

My S28 was built in 2003 but commissioned in 2004.
The 2003 is the model year, and nothing much changed between 2003 and 2004, and the boat only started getting used in 2004.

If there were significant changes between the model years, then that could affect the price.

 

[beejay190]

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Thanks. There are a few boats being advertised and the advert will state 2013 boat. It is a bit misleading when the craft was built earlier in 2012. As a buyer I would be looking for the build year and nothing else to reflect the price of the boat. Always good to check build certificate or actual HIN on the craft itself.

My MF has a 2013 HIN number but was not commissioned / sold by a main dealer until December 2014 when the outboard was rigged . So possibly a 6 year hull but 4 year engine. I like to think that the fact that the boat has a newer engine might add a few quid to the value of the boat Possibly not. Not too bothered.

 

[Momac]

I am looking around for another boat. What I have come across a couple of times is advertising a boat of a particular year, but on further enquiries have found that it was the year it was commissioned and not build year. Example being boat advert as being a 2013. HIN states D2 13.
As I understand it this would be boat built start April 2012 and then commissioned 2013.
Am I right to say the boat should be advertised as and when it was built?

Are the last two numbers of the HIN the year the build was completed. Not the date the boat was commissioned?

 

[Whitelighter]

I am looking around for another boat. What I have come across a couple of times is advertising a boat of a particular year, but on further enquiries have found that it was the year it was commissioned and not build year. Example being boat advert as being a 2013. HIN states D2 13.
As I understand it this would be boat built start April 2012 and then commissioned 2013.
Am I right to say the boat should be advertised as and when it was built?

No, because in your example its a 2013 boat.

The D2 was when it was started to to be built, and boats can take months.

 

[EugeneR]

Are the last two numbers of the HIN the year the build was completed. Not the date the boat was commissioned?

No. The last two digits represent the model year.

The HIN does not provide any direct information about when the boat was completed or commissioned.

Back to the OP's question, I would consider the year of commission to be the most appropriate date to be used for buying / selling.

More important to me would be service records and how the boat was maintained and used. We paid 10-20% more, and dropped some nice to have specs, to get one in perfect condition which has been maintained to good standard.

 

[Momac]

No. The last two digits represent the model year.

The HIN does not provide any direct information about when the boat was completed or commissioned.
.

Sorry - yes you are correct.

 

[novanta]

Let's say D213 on the end of the HIN. "D" is the month April, "2" is year of build, "13" is modelyear. So officially this is a 2012 boat.

 

[EugeneR]

Let's say D213 on the end of the HIN. "D" is the month April, "2" is year of build, "13" is modelyear. So officially this is a 2012 boat.

Why do you say that officially it is a 2012 boat, when all you know is that building started in 2012?

We do not take that approach for cars, TVs or babies even. We start counting from when they get commissioned, so to speak.

 

[jfm]

A few people have said above that the D2 in (say) D2 13 is when the build started. That possibly used to be the case but there is no rule insisting on that and many builders use these characters to indicate the end of the build. My boat's HIN shows the month in which the build was finished, which was iirc 8 months after the build started and a different year.

It makes more sense to me to use these characters to show when the build finished, unless you're talking about a jeanneau or bavaria type of case where the build is 2 weeks start to finish, it which case it doesn't matter.

 

[Sneaky Pete]

Let's say D213 on the end of the HIN. "D" is the month April, "2" is year of build, "13" is modelyear. So officially this is a 2012 boat.

I have thought that the D2 as being the period in time when the hull was moulded, and this is used for age of boat.

 

[[2068]]

British Marine Guidance is to use the last two digits as the model year, and is more common.
But US sites say that it can be used for year of completion.

https://www.britishmarine.co.uk/Ser...nical-Support/Manufacturers-Identity-Code-MIC

https://www.boatshedsupport.com/article/90-hin-hull-identification-numbers

 

[jfm]

British Marine Guidance is to use the last two digits as the model year, and is more common.
But US sites say that it can be used for year of completion.

https://www.britishmarine.co.uk/Ser...nical-Support/Manufacturers-Identity-Code-MIC

https://www.boatshedsupport.com/article/90-hin-hull-identification-numbers

Thanks. The boatshed link looks unconvincing.

As for the UK link, you gotta think "bless 'em". Seems not to occur to the UK folks them that plenty of boats take nearly a year to build and most of these will span 2 calendar years in their construction. So how does one process their instruction to state the "month of manufacture"?

 

[Beamishken]

In the grand scheme of things does it realy make a huge difference given that you buy a boat on condition, engine hours , size, service history and fitted optional equipment. It's not like boats carry a year identifying plate so your neighbours can say their boat is newer than yours by a few months. A few months difference in the build v commissioning date isnt realy of great importance in my mind during the purchase decision making process

 

[Momac]

We do not take that approach for ...... babies ..........

We start counting from when they get commissioned, so to speak.

Excellent comparison.