Here's a guy with some firm views

[lustyd]

Not really, it’s different types of engineering. The X Yachts keel bolted to a steel subframe is almost certainly a lot stronger than an “encapsulated keel”. Look at the Oyster failure.

But both are sufficient for the purpose I think was his point.

 

[Wansworth]

I imagine buying the ultimate perfectly though out ocean cruiser you really have no one to blame if you don’t ocean cruise…….. maybe a not so perfect boat that you know the ins and outs would be a better proposition

 

[Leslie frank]

I have a mid displacement (18tonnes) 45" ketch with an encapsulated keel. It's a nice boat to sail if the sea is a bit rough and the wind is blowing a force 4 or above. It doesn't heel too much which suits me, my wife and the dog.
It's not great for everything though. I have sailed her for the last 20 years and the number of "OCEAN " trips is pretty minimal... the norm us is 3 days in biscay, not 25 days in the arctic. Most of the sailing is Baltic, uk or the Med when a more modern design boat would probably be a lot better. I love my boat to bits but I do recognise that it's horses for courses and most folk don't want to sail round cape horn.

 

[Wansworth]

Now here is a proper boat!

 

[Leslie frank]

Now here is a proper boat!

I wouldn't fancy changing the keel bolts on that one

 

[john_morris_uk]

Whilst I have happily sailed many boats with bolt on keels, and my previous boat had a swing keel, it is not right for Trinona to constantly go one about their being no evidence of issues with bolt on keels.

Cheeki Rafiki Keel Failure - Marine Surveyor Study - IIMS

The ISAF started a review following the cheeky rafiki incident where they identified 72 yachts with keel failure and 25 deaths. They thought that was an under report as many more as often a sinking is very rapid with little chance to fire off a mayday or have one picked up.

I follow a marine surveyor, ben sutcliffe, on youtube

who sees many damaged fin keels. Very good video here on the issues caused by groundings.

It is clearly a vulnerable area and not right just to wave away. However whether worth paying for a Kraken or just taking good care of a well engineered bolt on keel boat is entirely up to you.

The problem is there are fin keels and fin keels…

Of course if you want to base your opiniobs about keels on a racing yacht that was modified outside the original design criteria grounded and then not checked and then have the keel fall off then who is going to argue with you?

PS I took those pictures of those three books that were all laid up within a few metres of each other. I was struck at the time by how different they were and what they were designed to do.

 

[Bouba]

The problem is there are fin keels and fin keels…
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Of course if you want to base your opiniobs about keels on a racing yacht that was modified outside the original design criteria grounded and then not checked and then have the keel fall off then who is going to argue with you?

PS I took those pictures of those three books that were all laid up within a few metres of each other. I was struck at the time by how different they were and what they were designed to do.

Obviously the middle picture has the best keel....based on the fact that the owner drives a Tesla

 

[Goldie]

Obviously the middle picture has the best keel....based on the fact that the owner drives a Tesla

Or a Ford, the Tesla’s with the mobo…

 

[Wansworth]

Obviously the middle picture has the best keel....based on the fact that the owner drives a Tesla

Keel anxiety!

 

[kingsebi]

The problem is there are fin keels and fin keels…
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Of course if you want to base your opiniobs about keels on a racing yacht that was modified outside the original design criteria grounded and then not checked and then have the keel fall off then who is going to argue with you?

PS I took those pictures of those three books that were all laid up within a few metres of each other. I was struck at the time by how different they were and what they were designed to do.

I thought first picture was a long keel?

 

[Poignard]

Keel anxiety!

KDS


Keel Derangement Syndrome

 

[potentillaCO32]

Is that a Corby 25? Looks v fast

 

[john_morris_uk]

I thought first picture was a long keel?

What’s in a name? I originally took the pictures because there were three starkly contrasting keels within a few metres of each other.

 

[kingsebi]

What’s in a name? I originally took the pictures because there were three starkly contrasting keels within a few metres of each other.

I agree. Was just wondering about terminology because that keel looks like the one on my boat and they told me it was a long keel with a cut away forefoot.

Found this:

 

[Wansworth]

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Is that a Corby 25? Looks v fast

That is surely 40 or larger. Still only 1/3 of a proper fast boat of course.

 

[flaming]

Is that a Corby 25? Looks v fast

I'm 90% positive that is a Lutra 30.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

I'm 90% positive that is a Lutra 30.

They don’t have a fixed sprit.

 

[flaming]

They don’t have a fixed sprit.

The ones that have been modded to sail in the HP30 class do.

 

[Baggywrinkle]

Obviously the middle picture has the best keel....based on the fact that the owner drives a Tesla

But does he have the best rudder? ....... Bavaria vs Tesla ....



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