Have Sailing Uma lost their way?

[wonkywinch]

 

[Sea Change]

As you say plenty of kids around to interact with - but the boat children's 'society' is nothing like you get back in so-called 'civilisation' (in our experience).

Yes, there's far less peer pressure and bullying, and far more sharing of different experiences and cultures.

I don't subscribe to the idea that we should bring up our kids in a monoculture of the same age, class, ethnicity, or gender. In fact, sticking kids in a classroom of their peers is a pretty modern invention.

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Yes, there's far less peer pressure and bullying, and far more sharing of different experiences and cultures.

I don't subscribe to the idea that we should bring up our kids in a monoculture of the same age, class, ethnicity, or gender. In fact, sticking kids in a classroom of their peers is a pretty modern invention.

It only goes back to Tudor times, when many of the modern public schools were founded; the Reformation put a great priority on basic education and many churches were endowed with money to provide education; such endowments are often an embarrassment these days as they may be quite substantial but of course, following the advent of state-provided education, mostly redundant and impossible to divert to other needs. But of course, the proportion of children who gained an education has increased greatly since then.

 

[Wansworth]

Back in the early 1980s an Scottish family enrolled their two children in the local school here in Galicia for a year whilst they anchored in the harbour wether that sort of thing could work…..kids picked up the lingo and had structured day…of course the unmentionable has put the stopper on that

 

[Sea Change]

It only goes back to Tudor times, when many of the modern public schools were founded; the Reformation put a great priority on basic education and many churches were endowed with money to provide education; such endowments are often an embarrassment these days as they may be quite substantial but of course, following the advent of state-provided education, mostly redundant and impossible to divert to other needs. But of course, the proportion of children who gained an education has increased greatly since then.

My understanding was that the modern model of education- children from age 5 onwards herded in to same age groups for six hours a day, five days a week- was a key part of getting the adult population in to work, by freeing them up from childcare duties.

 

[Wansworth]

My understanding was that the modern model of education- children from age 5 onwards herded in to same age groups for six hours a day, five days a week- was a key part of getting the adult population in to work, by freeing them up from childcare duties.

Keep the children out the Gin shops as well!

 

[AntarcticPilot]

My understanding was that the modern model of education- children from age 5 onwards herded in to same age groups for six hours a day, five days a week- was a key part of getting the adult population in to work, by freeing them up from childcare duties.

Universal education had that effect to some extent - but when I was primary school age (in the 1950s) few women with young children worked; my mother (a teacher) was an exception - and she could only work because my brother and I went to the school she taught in, and my brother started school early to allow her to work. There was no pre-school or out-of-school provision in those days, but universal education to 15 (when I started school - went up to 16 before I finished school) had been a thing for quite a while at that point. Without the modern child-minding systems, school hours of 9-4 precluded most conventional forms of work for women unless there was a convenient grandparent or other relative.
I should add that male/female gender roles were VERY strongly embedded - a woman working (except in roles such as teaching, secretarial work and similar) was seen as taking a job away from a man, and "breadwinner" was an ordinary term for a husband; it was assumed that only the man's salary would be of importance to a family.

 

[Stemar]

Then they have kids and its game over for me

Ran Sailing managed to keep my interest, mainly schadenfreude, enjoying the fact that I'm not building that monster boat. They seem to be good parents and the little girl is delightful. (From a safe distance - more schadenfreude that our kids are grown up)

 

[mattonthesea]

Wow! I didn't realise I'd been so wrong for so many years

 

[ylop]

Then they have kids and its game over for me

I quite like watching people who think having kids won’t change much discover that a tiny little package totally disrupts life!

 

[geem]

I quite like watching people who think having kids won’t change much discover that a tiny little package totally disrupts life!

When it goes from Utube sailing adventures to what we can't do cos we now have kids, it's pull the subscription time. I used to watch La Vagabonde but I don't need a family living on a boat dross every week.

 

[dunedin]

When it goes from Utube sailing adventures to what we can't do cos we now have kids, it's pull the subscription time. I used to watch La Vagabonde but I don't need a family living on a boat dross every week.

Do you not have children?

 

[geem]

Do you not have children?

No. Too busy enjoying ourselves. Sort of forgot

 

[dunedin]

No. Too busy enjoying ourselves. Sort of forgot

Perhaps explains why you don’t like sailing blogs with families

 

[geem]

Perhaps explains why you don’t like sailing blogs with families

We are are doing the sailing adventure stuff ourselves. Why would I be interested in watching somebody else doing less than I am doing
I don't look at any aspect of what we do and think having kids would make it better

 

[Graham376]

We've seen too many friends have their retirement sailing plans scuppered by kids. They worked hard, brought up their children only to find they're now expected to baby sit for grand kids. I have never liked children and have had far more freedom without them so, why would I want to watch sailing videos mainly about family life aboard?

 

[AntarcticPilot]

We've seen too many friends have their retirement sailing plans scuppered by kids. They worked hard, brought up their children only to find they're now expected to baby sit for grand kids. I have never liked children and have had far more freedom without them so, why would I want to watch sailing videos mainly about family life aboard?

I'm reminded of my mother. She, quite deliberately, chose to live JUST too far away for us to use her as a baby-sitter. We were very welcome to come for family dinners! But she reckoned she'd done her bit bringing up children as a primary school teacher!

 

[dunedin]

We've seen too many friends have their retirement sailing plans scuppered by kids. They worked hard, brought up their children only to find they're now expected to baby sit for grand kids. I have never liked children and have had far more freedom without them so, why would I want to watch sailing videos mainly about family life aboard?

That’s why it’s good we have a free world and can (mostly) make our own choices. I love sailing, but children and grand children have enriched our lives hugely more. And sailing, and playing around in the dinghy, with grand children has been the best of both worlds.

 

[geem]

That’s why it’s good we have a free world and can (mostly) make our own choices. I love sailing, but children and grand children have enriched our lives hugely more. And sailing, and playing around in the dinghy, with grand children has been the best of both worlds.

That's great for you but with no kids, we don't mess around in dinghies. We wingfoil and kitesurf into our retirement years. We climb every peak on every island we visit, if that is possible. We just climbed the highest mountain in Portugal here a couple of weeks ago in Pico (for the second time). We walked up as fast as possible and ran down. The suggested round trip time is 4 hours up and 3 hours down. We walked up in 2.5 hrs and ran down in 65 mins. No room for kids in our retirement fun time.
It's a commitment all on its own with elderly parents. One reason why we limit ourselves at present to criss-crossing the Atlantic rather than heading further afield into the Pacific.
Everyone to his own and I am not taking anything from you. We simply have a different life.

 

[Sea Change]

I don't look at any aspect of what we do and think having kids would make it better

Obviously you get used to the life you live. I can't imagine doing this without our son. He's our ice-breaker, our way of meeting new people. He's our excuse to look round one more corner, land on that uninhabited island, visit that interesting place. He's our reason for building dens and bonfires on deserted beaches.

I guess we could do all of these things without him, but in reality we would just sit and drink rum