Hank on sail deck stowage...

[LadyInBed]

Responding directly to the OP's question:
- one option is to have length of bungee cord between the base of the first and third stanchions (actually, looking at your picture, it would be the second and fourth). In the middle secure a plastic hook.
https://www.force4.co.uk/force-4-shock-cord-hooks-m.html?sqr=hook&
You could even put two or three hooks along the length of the shock cord. Sail goes on deck, shock cord goes underneath and hooks to the lower lifeline.
for more security, use three hooks and attach a short loop of line or shock cord to the base of the middle stanchion. First and third hooks secure to the lower lifeline, middle hook goes back down to the deck and attaches to the loop at the base of the middle stanchion.

This might be secure enough in some conditions, but at least it is a quick and easy way to get the sail under control. Then you can add sail ties if you want, either to secure it to the lifelines or to bundle the sail and get it below.

Obviously you need this on both sides of the boat.

I think my method is better, you don't want bungee as the tie line as 1 it stretches so the sail will move if a wave hits it and 2 any ties you attach to it to hold the sail will slip along the bungee.
As I say, I use bungee to wrap round the sail but a laid rope as the line from bow to stanchion so you can thread the bungee through the lay to hold it in place.
I use these clips on the end of the bungee.

 

[bbg]

I think my method is better,

I'm sure you do

you don't want bungee as the tie line as 1 it stretches so the sail will move if a wave hits it and 2 any ties you attach to it to hold the sail will slip along the bungee.

1. which is why I said it "might be secure enough in some conditions
2. you wouldn't attach any ties to the bungee. You might take them around the sail and the lifeline, but I would always put them underneath the bungee.

The advantage of my method is that it is extremely quick. You can get a sail secured in a few seconds without tying anything.

As I also said, after it is under control you can add sail ties if you want, but the initial bungee gets it under control instantly.

 

[RupertW]

Responding directly to the OP's question:
- one option is to have length of bungee cord between the base of the first and third stanchions (actually, looking at your picture, it would be the second and fourth). In the middle secure a plastic hook.
https://www.force4.co.uk/force-4-shock-cord-hooks-m.html?sqr=hook&
You could even put two or three hooks along the length of the shock cord. Sail goes on deck, shock cord goes underneath and hooks to the lower lifeline.
for more security, use three hooks and attach a short loop of line or shock cord to the base of the middle stanchion. First and third hooks secure to the lower lifeline, middle hook goes back down to the deck and attaches to the loop at the base of the middle stanchion.

This might be secure enough in some conditions, but at least it is a quick and easy way to get the sail under control. Then you can add sail ties if you want, either to secure it to the lifelines or to bundle the sail and get it below.

Obviously you need this on both sides of the boat.

We had a similar arrangement for years before we got roller reefing - hooks and bungee to the guardrails, but it became much easier again for me when I put netting from bow to just aft of the mast so I wouldn't lose any sail into the water when hooking and unhooking it.

Was still very happy indeed when we eventually changed to roller reefing.

 

[bbg]

We had a similar arrangement for years before we got roller reefing - hooks and bungee to the guardrails, but it became much easier again for me when I put netting from bow to just aft of the mast so I wouldn't lose any sail into the water when hooking and unhooking it.

Was still very happy indeed when we eventually changed to roller reefing.

Yes, my (former) boat had a couple of light lines running between the lifelines. Not full netting, but enough to help the sail from slipping out.

 

[lw395]

I'm sure you do


1. which is why I said it "might be secure enough in some conditions
2. you wouldn't attach any ties to the bungee. You might take them around the sail and the lifeline, but I would always put them underneath the bungee.

The advantage of my method is that it is extremely quick. You can get a sail secured in a few seconds without tying anything.

As I also said, after it is under control you can add sail ties if you want, but the initial bungee gets it under control instantly.

A good arrangement of bungee and hooks is pretty effective, quick and can be done one handed.
My Impala was a long time ago now, but ISTR there was a long bungee secured to the toe-rail at intervals, with a hook every so often. So you just dragged it across the sail and hooked it to (I forget what!). The tack was still on the wire strop. The clew can be tied to something when you take the sheet off.
I will never forget testing this facility going around Portland too early having had a rough night moored off Lyme Regis.
In racing mode, two crew would flake the sail and secure it in the same way.
Not my invention, I expect the Impalas copied it from the Sigmas or the GK24s or something?

 

[PhillM]

I have a nice big 140% Genoa which I never use when single handed. I have a smaller, slightly higher cut than normal about 100% jib, that covers a much wider range of wind. I use this most of the time up to a F6 in the forecast. If its F5+ when I am starting our, then I use my Number 2 jib.

We do not have guard wires or much side deck. I tend to think it is better to sacrifice some performance than to be trying to change Jib any any sort of seaway. On my boat it is much easier to hove to and drop some main.

 

[Yellow Ballad]

You might first check if you really have a full light wind genoa,

Yea, it's a big 150% Genoa, huge thing but the Ballad's main is tiny so it needs something to get it moving in not a lot of breeze. As I mentioned I only tend to fly it in about a F2-3 before moving onto the 4 in F4 or above to get the big bag out of the way. Ideally I would like to go for a 110% roller and a cruising chute and snuffer for the light stuff but alas the lottery comment.

Thanks on the lacing replies, that was the sort of thing I was looking at but it was more how to do it. I'll look at lacing with rope from deck level as it may help with MOBs sliding under the wires but be able to hold the sail off the deck for short stints. I do like the idea of a zip bag but I may just deal with lacing this year and save my pennies for a 811 furler and a secondhand sail, or have the hanks taken off my No2.

Lots to think about.

Edit, looking at the Plastimo 811s they can be had for £650ish, I'm sure the last time I looked they were more like £850. Still need to save though!

 

[RupertW]

Yea, it's a big 150% Genoa, huge thing but the Ballad's main is tiny so it needs something to get it moving in not a lot of breeze. As I mentioned I only tend to fly it in about a F2-3 before moving onto the 4 in F4 or above to get the big bag out of the way. Ideally I would like to go for a 110% roller and a cruising chute and snuffer for the light stuff but alas the lottery comment.

Thanks on the lacing replies, that was the sort of thing I was looking at but it was more how to do it. I'll look at lacing with rope from deck level as it may help with MOBs sliding under the wires but be able to hold the sail off the deck for short stints. I do like the idea of a zip bag but I may just deal with lacing this year and save my pennies for a 811 furler and a secondhand sail, or have the hanks taken off my No2.

Lots to think about.

Edit, looking at the Plastimo 811s they can be had for £650ish, I'm sure the last time I looked they were more like £850. Still need to save though!

We have a high cut heavy cloth 105% roller and an asymmetric with snuffer kept permanently on the foredeck but do miss a bigger genoa in a light wind beat - the engine goes on too often then. Otherwise it's been a great combination for the last 4 seasons with a gradual increase in our use of the asymmetric.

 

[William_H]

I am a little concerned that OP says he has no toe rail. I think this is a big safety concern. You will find all ocean racing requirements include a toe rail. It is there to stop your feet slipping over board. Very uncomfortable if safety lines stop you going further. Toe rails are often those ali strips with holes in them useful for tieing sails and stuff down but can also be made of wood. Should be about 3cms high. I am surprised you have not discovered the need already. Re jib stowage I have always used hank on but that suits my sailing style. Short races with crew. I always stuff the unused sail down the front hatch. Smaller sails. You need a latch that can be operated from outside to keep hatch closed when in rough water. But it makes the front cabin area a real mess. olewill

 

[Yellow Ballad]

Thanks for the reply, I didnt say I hadn't got a toe rail, just it was smooth so you can't fasten things to it. I have some eye bolts the same size as the deck bolts to rectify that though, I'm just wondering what the best way would be.

Here's a better pic of what I have to work with ATM.