Amour
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Hello has anybody had any experience with the Hangkai 6hp outboards on eBay
As it would suit our needs for the children's tender
As it would suit our needs for the children's tender
Hangkai 6hp outboard
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CLB
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Don't do it. Two stroke outboards of this type should not be imported into the EU. They are effectively being sold illegally. Then there is the almost guaranteed unreliability, poor support and lack of spares.
If I were you, I would be looking for a good used outboard from one of the respected brands, which should cost you similar money.
If I were you, I would be looking for a good used outboard from one of the respected brands, which should cost you similar money.
Boat2016
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Reminds me of the other cheap imports you used to be able to get, think one was Hidea, the chandlery I spoke to said they caused a lot of grief and wished they hadn’t sold them, spare parts was also an issue
BruceK
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First hit our shores in 2012 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?314831-Hangkai-2-Stroke-A-good-sign
BruceK
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Although I have never bought a Chinese OB I have purchased several ultra light two stroke engines for large scale RC aircraft. Copies of DA engines I understand. DA could learn something here. 1/5 the price, ran sweet as a nut and ultimately proved more reliable. Go figure. I also bought a TIG /MMA/ plasma cutter for an absolute fraction of the cost of a Miller. The forums promised me doom and gloom yet once the hullaboo died down the compliments on my aluminium welds came thick and fast. Still going strong 10 years later. I have found personally that the Chinese vendors actually fall over backwards to help post sale. Even to their disadvantage and maintaining 5 star rating is like a religion to them. To the point of being bullish. I think the time for being condescending to Chinese imports is waning and largely based on bygone days gone to lore
CLB
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I disagree with much of what you say. I have bought plenty of cheap Chinese stuff, both in the past and more recently. I haven't seen a shift in quality to any extent yet. I do believe that, in time, Chinese stuff will be seen to be top quality, in the same way that Japanese goods went through this transition, but that time is still some way off IMHO. Quality is hit and miss, which means sometimes you get lucky, but that doesn't inspire confidence when op buying something like an outboard.
What about the legalities of selling outlawed two stroke technology into the EU?
BruceK
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In no way am I saying all goods are of equal quality. What I am saying is some surpass it. The reaction here was of automatic dismissal. I'd say they were unduly dismissive. You may be horrified to know that a greater than 50% of your premium grade high tech is..... rebranded China Export.
longjohnsilver
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A copy of a Jap 2 stroke outboard is hardly hi tec. My boating partner bought a new one a few years back, caused nothing but trouble.
Davy_S
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Apple included.
CLB
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Chinese made does not automatically equal rubbish. It is all down to quality control. The likes of Apple will have it in droves. The factory down the road that churns out Aplet phones, will not
BruceK
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Agreed. However this OB has a few years behind it so I suspect is not entirely fly by night and any comment not based on experience is pure conjecture.
BruceK
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A good example might be Kipor genny vs Honda. Not the same quality granted but at a price point quite acceptable.
bluesman1955
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I just wish Hangkai would suppy an instruction manual for the 6.5HP 4 stroke in english instead of chinese.
Bigplumbs
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Bigplumbs
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Fact of life with ebay and the internet.... Perhaps it will put paid to stupid laws.
Some idiot tree hugger town dwelling moron was on the news wanting to ban open fires and wood burners the other day...…. Warming yourself up with a fire is an ancient human right.... banning them based on inaccurate ill thought through research is simply stupid
Bigplumbs
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Buy one and give it a test like I did with the heaters you might change your mind
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If you search on the Hankai name, you will find some horror stories, some happy customers, and a few in-between, e.g. someone that had to re-seat the carb and tidy up a few internals before it would run properly. Also 25:1 is burning quite a lot of oil.
Either way, a lack of spare parts and dealers would be enough to put me off, unless you categorise the outboard as “disposable” if anything goes wrong. My current Merc tender engine was bought in 2005 and still runs well: I prefer to buy things that last, second-hand if necessary.
e.g. (from https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/391289-hangkai-outboards-3.html)
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This morning I decided to tear it down. This is what I found:
1The inner carburetor was loose and leaking air.
2.The fuel lines were loose.
3. The air valve in the fuel fill cap had was not functional and would not let air in.
4. The kill lines ran too close to the exhaust and had melted through and were shorted against the exhaust pipe, thus no spark.
5. The 1/4" pump line to from the impeller was not in its hole in the bottom where it came out of the pump.
6. the Bowden cable was touching the exhaust and had melted the cover off in one spot.
Now on the plus side. I found that the engine was fairly well designed. I found that the engine was probably capable of good service.
The fix:
1. I removed the inner carb mounting intake and lightly sealed it with non hardining Permatex. I was carfull not to over torque the set screws. I never new a man to under torque a bolt.
2. I bought spring clips for the fuel hoses.
3. I disassembled the fuel cap. The inner workings simply snap off. I carefully shortened the lips on the valve about a scant millimeter. reassembled it and made sure that I could blow through it and that it would seal when I sucked through it.
4. I turned the magneto coil over and rerouted the ignition lines. This gave me more room between the spark plug wire and exhaust pipe. I spaced the magneto with a piece of thin card board before tightening the bolts to get the proper air gap. This is probably better done with feeler gauge, it works.
5. I disassembled the engine from the down shaft and removed the cover plate to the centrifugal clutch. I weakened the spring by prying it until it was stretched enough to allow the prop to engage just above idle. This is trial and error and may take several tries to get right---go slow. Against all odds, mine came out close enough on the stretch. I reassembled the hole with high temp RTV.
6. I used cable ties and rerouted the electrical and hoses away from exhaust.
Finally, I used blue Locktite on all assembly.
I know this sounds like a lot of work, but It took me two hours to do all of this.
It now runs beautifully. No missing and the prop starts turning at slightly above idle. I now have water coming out of the bleed port.
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Either way, a lack of spare parts and dealers would be enough to put me off, unless you categorise the outboard as “disposable” if anything goes wrong. My current Merc tender engine was bought in 2005 and still runs well: I prefer to buy things that last, second-hand if necessary.
e.g. (from https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/391289-hangkai-outboards-3.html)
#### ####
This morning I decided to tear it down. This is what I found:
1The inner carburetor was loose and leaking air.
2.The fuel lines were loose.
3. The air valve in the fuel fill cap had was not functional and would not let air in.
4. The kill lines ran too close to the exhaust and had melted through and were shorted against the exhaust pipe, thus no spark.
5. The 1/4" pump line to from the impeller was not in its hole in the bottom where it came out of the pump.
6. the Bowden cable was touching the exhaust and had melted the cover off in one spot.
Now on the plus side. I found that the engine was fairly well designed. I found that the engine was probably capable of good service.
The fix:
1. I removed the inner carb mounting intake and lightly sealed it with non hardining Permatex. I was carfull not to over torque the set screws. I never new a man to under torque a bolt.
2. I bought spring clips for the fuel hoses.
3. I disassembled the fuel cap. The inner workings simply snap off. I carefully shortened the lips on the valve about a scant millimeter. reassembled it and made sure that I could blow through it and that it would seal when I sucked through it.
4. I turned the magneto coil over and rerouted the ignition lines. This gave me more room between the spark plug wire and exhaust pipe. I spaced the magneto with a piece of thin card board before tightening the bolts to get the proper air gap. This is probably better done with feeler gauge, it works.
5. I disassembled the engine from the down shaft and removed the cover plate to the centrifugal clutch. I weakened the spring by prying it until it was stretched enough to allow the prop to engage just above idle. This is trial and error and may take several tries to get right---go slow. Against all odds, mine came out close enough on the stretch. I reassembled the hole with high temp RTV.
6. I used cable ties and rerouted the electrical and hoses away from exhaust.
Finally, I used blue Locktite on all assembly.
I know this sounds like a lot of work, but It took me two hours to do all of this.
It now runs beautifully. No missing and the prop starts turning at slightly above idle. I now have water coming out of the bleed port.
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CLB
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My post yiu quoted above was a year ago, but I stand by what I said. Get a used two stroke from a decent brand, rather than one of these nasty things. As for heaters, I have one, I also have a Kipor genny so I am reasonable well versed in buying cheap Chinese stuff. I just wouldn't buy an outboard.
jrudge
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Goto India, see the pollution and say that.
Clean air a a right also.
The only thing that would put me off a Chinese onboard is that small branded outboards always seem to go wrong ( mine and the numerous often sail boats I see pulling and pulling ) so a copy is not likely to be any better!
Bigplumbs
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Do you honestly think comparing the UK with India is reasonable in this context...… In the UK we have had open fires for years and they have and are no real problem
Looking at the size of your boat I was wondering how much its engines contribute to this clean air we all have a right to
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