Twister_Ken
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"How much is a new 310 anyway?"
Looking at somewhere north of £160K by the time it's specced up.
Looking at somewhere north of £160K by the time it's specced up.
Hallberg- Rassy, without a chart table, Imagine the outcry if it was a Bavaria.
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Underneath the windscreen that HR have. In front of the wheel maybe.
Stork_III
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I think I see your cheek bulging, but HR made and sold around 2000 HR31 mk1 & mk2 and you had better not be too poor either. Great sailing boat the HR31 with good accommodation, but not too sure about the 310, I did not like it, so bought a 34, "poor man's" 36?
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Twister_Ken
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Tiller, so no binnacle for electrickery.
Sans Bateau
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Sounds like its in your shopping trolley TK!
nathanlee
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I've just removed an entire quarter berth in my boat just to build a chart table and seat. I'm a young man at 26, and my life is filled with all the electronic gadgets one could imagine, but I would never go to sea without charts and a place to use them. I can say, from experience, that electronics do fail. I have been caught out in the middle of the wash with a failed chart plotter having neglected to "backup" my track on the chart. Not a nice feeling really.
photodog
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Well... its not just the chart table is it.. its the whole space... and in particular the storage under the table and alongside... were else to store the 2006 Almanac, the spare charts for south Brittany and the Baltic north of Estonia that came with the boat... the 3rd edition of Nigel Calders Boat electrics, the instruction manuals for the "back up" gps, those assorted little screws which may come in handy at some time, the Q flag, the tattered Cornish ensign, the bilge pump handle, that funny blowy thing that in theory doubles as a fog horn, that funny cast bit that fell off the mast that you dont want to throw away, those little stubs of pencils, the log book, the dividers, and the spare dividers, and the plotter, the spare knife and your leatherman, the spare fuses, the shear pins for the outboard, the funnel for the petrol can, that little hand held wind instrument, 5 years worth of reciepts from harbour masters, 5 years worth of glossy guides to various harbours obtained at great expense from the harbourmasters of various south coast refuges, that little butane stove lighter and the spare matches, assorted loose change, fuel receipts, two of those little PRB licence radios which you thought would be a good idea, but on relfection you havent used in 5 years, the dingy patch kit, several bottle openers filched from assorted hotels, the spare plotter, last years tide tables for the river Exe, bits of string, the charge cradle for the hh VHF, the bino caps, the sail repair kit, various tubes of epoxy glue, the book of walks between Torquay and Brixham, 13 spare partially used AA batteries, a carbiner clip, and your spare glasses.
Stork_III
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Have you been ferretting about on my boat again? They will all come in use one day.
prv
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prv
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KS is 24 feet, but has a nice big chart table. Won't *quite* take a standard-size Yeoman but that's because of where the hinge is for the lifting section; in square inches the area would be plenty big enough.
The saloon table on the other hand is made from an Enterprise centreboard, and is tiny. A bigger, folding one is on The List (a long way down).
Pete
Twister_Ken
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Nope, something else.
Norman_E
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Some nice 37 footers for that sort of money,
Arcona 370, probably a bit less once specced.
Grand Soleil 37, about the same.
Salona 37, quite a bit cheaper
Finngulf 73, more expensive, but not by that much.
Closer in size the Finngulf 331 would be cheaper than the HR, and probably matches it for quality and beats it for performance.
Plenty of nice boats from 32 to 36 feet for less money than the HR, so I wonder whether there is any real market for the HR31 if that price is correct.
Quandary
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What do you mean, 'PROBABLY' go compare both finish and spec. and thats before you go sailing.
Mind you, the 331 does not match the 33 for fit out, mahogany like HR now instead of teak ( teak is now an extra) and the big aft lockers have been sacrificed for a dopey walk through transom.
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Robin
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Well if Kens kitted out figure of around £160,000 is correct, for a 31ft boat that has to be a real triumph of imagined marina one-upman-ship 
over commonsense!
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, even if you think you have bought yourself a status symbol there will be much laughing in the marshes from both owners of larger HRs and those that spent their money on something less costly but probably better and almost certainly in performance. This would be like buying an old terraced 2 up 2 down house on Sandbanks peninsular!
Just imagine the launch party. 'Nice boat Fred, didn't know they made them this small' or 'HOW MUCH?' or later on the pontoons out of earshot, 'did you hear how much Fred paid, he could have had a really good boat for half that price and had money left over for another in the Med!'
over commonsense! As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, even if you think you have bought yourself a status symbol there will be much laughing in the marshes from both owners of larger HRs and those that spent their money on something less costly but probably better and almost certainly in performance. This would be like buying an old terraced 2 up 2 down house on Sandbanks peninsular!
Just imagine the launch party. 'Nice boat Fred, didn't know they made them this small' or 'HOW MUCH?' or later on the pontoons out of earshot, 'did you hear how much Fred paid, he could have had a really good boat for half that price and had money left over for another in the Med!'
Twister_Ken
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With yard-fit extras it was €131,000 ex VAT, = £140k inc VAT, delivered Sweden. So add in trucking + VAT if not sailing it over, plus about £10K + VAT for UK sourced and fitted stuff.
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V1701
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Well if Kens kitted out figure of around £160,000 is correct, for a 31ft boat that has to be a real triumph of imagined marina one-upman-ship
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, even if you think you have bought yourself a status symbol there will be much laughing in the marshes from both owners of larger HRs and those that spent their money on something less costly but probably better and almost certainly in performance. This would be like buying an old terraced 2 up 2 down house on Sandbanks peninsular!
Just imagine the launch party. 'Nice boat Fred, didn't know they made them this small' or 'HOW MUCH?' or later on the pontoons out of earshot, 'did you hear how much Fred paid, he could have had a really good boat for half that price and had money left over for another in the Med!'
Yeah but if you want one (for whatever reason) and have got the money (and can afford the ongoing costs, etc.), then you have one. And if you buy your boat just to impress random people you barely know then you are very sad.
If I had £160k, I'd spend maybe 40 on a boat, put the rest in a high interest savings account and bugger off sailing round the world...
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Twister_Ken
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Pray tell, Mr Breeze, where you'd find a high interest savings account at the moment?
According to a couple of people in the biz, at the moment one reason that high end new and used boats are selling is because punter's money sitting in the bank is earning FA.
According to a couple of people in the biz, at the moment one reason that high end new and used boats are selling is because punter's money sitting in the bank is earning FA.
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Rivers & creeks
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Can't understand all the excitement. Present and last three boats haven't had a chart table - or a vanity table for that matter. We passage plan using the saloon table and pilotage/chart annotation is done in the cockpit. I wasn't surprised by YM's review though - front cover headline and 8 references to the lack of chart table - YM seem to fret about going to sea in a boat where the chart table doesn't face forward, frankly I was impressed they had the courage to test sail the HR at all - was the lifeboat on standby?
V1701
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Yeah okay I'm a bit of an idealist. 4.6% on 3 years best I can think of off top of my head (ICICI). Couple of years ago I tied up a sum for 12 months with them at 6.75%. Would it be a good way to invest money, buying a brand new "prestige" yacht, though?
Quandary
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High Interest?
Three years ago when we decided we needed to change to a smaller boat we decided that our kids would survive without our money and we would buy something new. Since Sigma 33s are no longer made we looked at EVERYTHING around 33' and decided that the Finngulf 33 best suited our requirements, and was the best detail design, build, finish and performance. it was expensive but it is harder to compromise when you have seen real quality. In the three years since we bought, the UK price of the boat has increased by over a third but they are still selling all that they can get. (It is a small factory). The UK agent is adamant that he can still get us more than we paid, if we decide to sell, so maybe it was not as foolish a move as we first thought.
In these days of very low interest rates it seems the right time to put your money into a good boat if you enjoy sailing, what else can you do with it that does you as little harm.
Actually the right time to buy an imported boat was 2007.
Three years ago when we decided we needed to change to a smaller boat we decided that our kids would survive without our money and we would buy something new. Since Sigma 33s are no longer made we looked at EVERYTHING around 33' and decided that the Finngulf 33 best suited our requirements, and was the best detail design, build, finish and performance. it was expensive but it is harder to compromise when you have seen real quality. In the three years since we bought, the UK price of the boat has increased by over a third but they are still selling all that they can get. (It is a small factory). The UK agent is adamant that he can still get us more than we paid, if we decide to sell, so maybe it was not as foolish a move as we first thought.
In these days of very low interest rates it seems the right time to put your money into a good boat if you enjoy sailing, what else can you do with it that does you as little harm.
Actually the right time to buy an imported boat was 2007.
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