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Do you really mean they are going to join up both ends of the motorways? It always thought it odd that they run out of money in the middle...........
Greek Tax (how will it affect you)
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Do you really mean they are going to join up both ends of the motorways? It always thought it odd that they run out of money in the middle...........
Retired in Crete
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Wrong!!
As already stated (not by me) to impose it on Greeks only would be illegal under EU law.
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BurnitBlue
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It is a yearly TAX and as far as I know it is perfectly legal to tax only ones own citizens or residents.
grumpygit
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How will it effect us . . . . . 15m @ €1500-30% = €1050 for 12 months. Like most on this forum our money is still in pounds and at today's rates this equates to around £875. This is cheaper than doing monthly for the 8 months we are in the water. (€150 x 8 =€1200). Of course for the doom and gloomers the exchange rates can alter and may make it more expensive.
Over the 8 month period it works out at around £3.60 a day, one packet of cigarettes or a jug of taverna wine or to look at it another way, annually 8 nights in a Croatian ACI Marina.
This tax like most has been poorly thought out and up to now badly implemented and represented from all quarters. The charge scale according to length is crazy and discriminatory. Should we be prepared to pay something to be in Greek waters, probably yes, and which countries will follow suit.
Where would we all go if we left wonderful and idyllic Greece, what other area would you all go to if you left? Croatia is the nearest but no free town quays, expensive marina's and by reports a lot more charged for mooring buoys in the popular bays and very little wind in the summer months.
I would also think the Italians amongst others will be charging across to Croatia and Spain this summer and make the places very busy and noisy, now there's something I'd pay to stay away from !!
Over the 8 month period it works out at around £3.60 a day, one packet of cigarettes or a jug of taverna wine or to look at it another way, annually 8 nights in a Croatian ACI Marina.
This tax like most has been poorly thought out and up to now badly implemented and represented from all quarters. The charge scale according to length is crazy and discriminatory. Should we be prepared to pay something to be in Greek waters, probably yes, and which countries will follow suit.
Where would we all go if we left wonderful and idyllic Greece, what other area would you all go to if you left? Croatia is the nearest but no free town quays, expensive marina's and by reports a lot more charged for mooring buoys in the popular bays and very little wind in the summer months.
I would also think the Italians amongst others will be charging across to Croatia and Spain this summer and make the places very busy and noisy, now there's something I'd pay to stay away from !!
Chris_Robb
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Small correction: From the correspondence I have had with the Greek shipping ministry, it is very clearly a monthly tax for >12 meters. At the moment we are trying to persuade them to make it run - not for a calendar month, but from the date of payment.
For Sub 12 meter it is effectively an annual tax - but using the logic of >12 monthly payments above, should also run from the month it was paid. I will add this to the current correspondence for clarification.
RupertW
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True on expensive marinas but except for our base marina (and Dubrovnik once a year) we rarely go in them. Town quays are about €30 but you can guarentee working water and electricity plus well maintained laid lines, so fine for a night out once or twice a week. The real benefit is hundred of free anchorages - I've never had to pay to anchor despite all the warnings of "concessionaires". I've occasionally gone to a mooring buoy where that is needed on passage but its the anchorages which do it for me.
Plenty of strong winds in Summer when unsettled and otherwise the classic Force 4-6 all afternoon dying at dusk to nothing by midnight and precious little before lunchtime, which is fine by me. Lazy breakfast and swim at anchor, motor to charge the batteries turning into a romping sail to the next anchorage where you have to arrive near dusk or it will be full of little motorboats on a day out. An hour later, even in mid Summer on an island like Hvar it can be just you and a couple of others if you pick the right bay, with no wind to worry the anchor overnight.
But I do hear this Greece place has something to offer too, although I dread badly maintained laid lines, crossed anchor chains, going off to offices to deal with useless bureaucrats each time I tie up etc. - at least according to this forum. So it's off to base ourselves at Gouvia for a year or two.
grumpygit
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Yes I do agree but there has been reports of more charged mooring buoys in the more popular bays. I take your word this is not so.
We must have been unlucky, we did three seasons in Croatia with very little winds and lots of diesel in the Summer months. Spring and Autumn gave us more but usually more of a blow rather than the winds you describe.
Greece has a lots to offer, even with the impending tax. Laid lines are like hens teeth out of marina's. Crossed anchor chains are a fault by the inexperienced but is does pass the time of day being a spectator. Bureaucrats absolutely but I don't go looking for them on purpose.
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Steve C Cronin
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Very Wrong. See other posts. If what you say were correct, many many laws all over Europe would be invalid.
vyv_cox
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I thought it was the other way around. To impose it on visitors/foreigners and not on Greeks would contravene EU legislation.
Capt Popeye
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Well not ever going to be in a position of using my own boat in Greek waters, or any where else except UK waters; I would comment that the charge appears to be quite modest considering the value of Yachts or Mobos these days; and possibly a fair charge for the facilities available.
What 'hurts' I suppose is both the thought of paying for something that poss had been free up to now, and its a foreign country applying it. Ah well lets see what it does to the Tourist figures; not a lot I would suggest.
What 'hurts' I suppose is both the thought of paying for something that poss had been free up to now, and its a foreign country applying it. Ah well lets see what it does to the Tourist figures; not a lot I would suggest.
macd
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+1, with that & Mr Cronin's post. Otherwise road tax (also, as it happens, a tax on 'means of transport') might be in some difficulty.
Sandyman
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We wont be there until 2015 at the earliest by which time the situation should have become clear.
I say that but somehow doubt it
As to the numbers leaving Greece, I have a feeling it may be many more than people think.
We've booked a berth in Ragusa for next winter. Friends there this winter have been in contact to say that Ragusa has already been overwhelmed with requests for winter berths 2014/2015.
I say that but somehow doubt it
As to the numbers leaving Greece, I have a feeling it may be many more than people think.
We've booked a berth in Ragusa for next winter. Friends there this winter have been in contact to say that Ragusa has already been overwhelmed with requests for winter berths 2014/2015.
sailaboutvic
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I am with you on this one , talk to people in the really world more and more people are saying their will not be going to Greece , as far as people leaving a lot going to depend when this tax comes in force and when it has to paid , if people don't have a chance to leave before paying most will stay the season at less to the end of this season but if they have a chance I think we going to find there going to be quite a lot that going to be moving else where , no matter what a few die hards are saying on the forum .We wont be there until 2015 at the earliest by which time the situation should have become clear.
I say that but somehow doubt it
As to the numbers leaving Greece, I have a feeling it may be many more than people think.
We've booked a berth in Ragusa for next winter. Friends there this winter have been in contact to say that Ragusa has already been overwhelmed with requests for winter berths 2014/2015.
I still think there going to be some new changes to this law, surely the Greek government can't think that the hundreds and hundreds of boats going to Greece for there annual holidays will still go to Greece if they have to pay this tax
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Tony Cross
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Opinion.
There are simply far too many opinions floating around at the moment when what people want are hard facts. I understood that this thread was created to deal in facts, I for one would prefer it to stay that way.
Apologies for exceeding the requested single post here.
Nostrodamus
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With the uncertainty we have changed our plans for this year as have a substantial amount of boats here in Sicily. We were going to do the short hp across to Greece for a season or more but now we will be going to Tunisia and Sardinia/ Corsica. Until things are firmly in place there are two many unknowns. You could easily find yourself in trouble through no fault of your own because one area imposed or knowns how to collect the tax and another does not.
This has been going for months now and even though the law has been passed no one really knows how it will apply.
Many think the tax can be paid monthly by bigger yachts but they only pay for the time they are there.
No.. this year we will not be going and I feel really sad about it.
The people who want this tax imposing must have realised how it will effect them and are still driving the Greek people and economy so far down they will end up in Australia...
I also have the fear that if we don't vote with our keels like yachts did elsewhere a few years ago the tax will be applied by many more EU countries making the Med out of bounds financially for us less affable live aboards.
This has been going for months now and even though the law has been passed no one really knows how it will apply.
Many think the tax can be paid monthly by bigger yachts but they only pay for the time they are there.
No.. this year we will not be going and I feel really sad about it.
The people who want this tax imposing must have realised how it will effect them and are still driving the Greek people and economy so far down they will end up in Australia...
I also have the fear that if we don't vote with our keels like yachts did elsewhere a few years ago the tax will be applied by many more EU countries making the Med out of bounds financially for us less affable live aboards.
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BurnitBlue
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Absolute truism. If Greece are successful in taxing visitors then it will be adopted by the rest of the EU. I am fed up with folk justifying this tax by citing hotel bed tax whatever. The difference is that hotel beds are mostly owned by Greeks. I own my own boat and therefore object to the Greeks Taxing it even for a month visit. It will set a precedent if successful.
After thinking some more about it last week I decided to change my mind and leave Greece for the principle and return when sense has prevailed. I voted in the poll to stay but I will now leave so the poll is one out because I cannot modify my previous poor decision.
nimbusgb
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Seriously considering not launching this year and going to the Okovango instead and then flying the SA soaring nationals. End of the year see what happens when the dust has settled and if they persist in penalising <12m short term visitors I will re register as over 12m, pay 1 month and high tail it to Croatia.
bbg
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Asking on behalf of a friend. Assuming an 18 m boat and he wants to spend 2 months in Greece, am I correct in thinking he would have to pay
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€10/m/mo x 18m x 2 mo = 10x18x2 = €360?
He would just be visiting for 2 months (in my example). Neither he nor the boat would become resident in any way. Would he still have to pay? Any source to some official documentation / announcement / website?
nimbusgb
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That looks to be correct at the moment. details not fixed or at least not clear at the moment but it will probably be calendar months so if you pitch up one week into one month and leave 8 weeks later you ( he ) could end up paying for 3 months
Tony Cross
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Yes, that is the current position and your calculation is correct. The implementation of the tax is however delayed until at least the end of February because the online tax system used to collect it (TAXIS) will not be operational before then.
You can find full details of the tax on the CA public pages at http://www.cruising.org.uk/news/greektax and also details of the ongoing negotiations between the CA and the Greek ministry on it's implementation. There is a link at the bottom of that page to an English translation of the original Greek law.
