Greece warning

[sailaboutvic]

Quick pop over to Rhodes for a night to get fuel and use an ATM .
Fuel garage BP by the boat yard , 1.30 lts , after filling cans he refused to take our card, his excused was , he hasn't taken cards for two years because he get charge 2 % commission , true or not ? Who know , ( not about the commission but the two years ) ,
no queuing for fuel . While walking to an ATM we came across another garage shell , fuel 1.25 lts , which pissed me off a bit could had save 4 euros , no problem got to come back for more later .
ATM , four people in front all greek , ATM seen to be longer then usually to dispense the money , while waiting we started chatting to All the others , all seen not to be bothered , all said they won't be voting has it going to make no different if it a yes or no , all said they would like to see Greece leave the Euro two said EU too, by the time it was our turn three more join the queue option seen to be the same but two said they would vote ,one yes one no .
ATM give us has much as we wanted no problem .
Later in the evening we found another garage right in the town , Fuel 1.19 lts and was happy to take our card . That's a 11 cent a lt different , Mmmmm .
We chatted to supermarket owner in the harbour and two other the bakery and the restaurant
Everyone seen to be under the same impression , that nothing going to change one thing they all seen to agree on , that the EU will do what every it wants to and no matter what Greece say it won't make any different unless Greece pulls out .

 

[vyv_cox]

Long queues at ATMs in Lakki this morning, shelves in the smaller food shops noticeably becoming bare. Our friend quite concerned as it appears her pension has not been paid.

 

[Mrnotming]

Hope things improve for Greece next week! Its very upsetting to have such dismal stuff happening especially to the old folk.
Perhaps the tourists will come in greater numbers as soon as an agreement is reached.Greece has many things to offer say compared to Tunisia, which is really only a beach with formerly posh hotels.

 

[steveghoward]

How's this for logic.

Spoke to young guy this morning.

He was taught by his grandfather and father on tax avoidance on his earnings here on the island.

However, this gives him a higher disposable income, enabling him to spend more on clothes, drinks and other good things in life, all of which he says is taxed so he is paying more tax and helping the local economy at the same time.

Go figure. . . . .

 

[sailaboutvic]

How's this for logic.

Spoke to young guy this morning.

He was taught by his grandfather and father on tax avoidance on his earnings here on the island.

However, this gives him a higher disposable income, enabling him to spend more on clothes, drinks and other good things in life, all of which he says is taxed so he is paying more tax and helping the local economy at the same time.

Go figure. . . . .

This might sound strange to you , but this is what accountants get paid for in the UK and every where else , how not to pay too much tax and remember everyone in ever business does this , it not illegal , except this guy prob got it free .

 

[rivonia]

This is a Govt summarry.

Summary
Still current at: 6 July 2015
Updated: 6 July 2015
Latest Update: Summary - in recent days the media have reported a shortage of medical supplies in Greece; make sure you have sufficient medical supplies (including prescription medicines) for the duration of your stay and any unforeseen delays.

 

[Tony Cross]

This is a Govt summarry.

Summary
Still current at: 6 July 2015
Updated: 6 July 2015
Latest Update: Summary - in recent days the media have reported a shortage of medical supplies in Greece; make sure you have sufficient medical supplies (including prescription medicines) for the duration of your stay and any unforeseen delays.

Which government?

 

[sailaboutvic]

I think it was from the report of the UK gov ,

 

[rivonia]

Which government?

I get UK Govt reports on all countries within the Med Circle and a few beyon. I know boooooring

 

[Tony Cross]

I get UK Govt reports on all countries within the Med Circle and a few beyon. I know boooooringView attachment 52449

Thanks.

 

[keithgdg]

Well said

 

[rivonia]

Thanks.

Here is one of the links https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/greece

 

[Tony Cross]

Here is one of the links https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/greece

Thanks again. I does concern me some that the British Foreign Office is publishing advice based on media reports "In recent days the media have reported a shortage of medical supplies in Greece" rather than on hard evidence.

In the first place "the media" has shown itself to be far from trustworthy where accuracy is concerned and certainly parts of the UK press (the Daily Mail for one) have been more interested in sensationalist stories than in real facts ("tourists face being airlifted home" for example). The Greek press is no different and there are pro-SYRIZA and very much anti-SYRIZA newspapers, each with their own agenda. Which ones did the British Foreign Office read?

In addition, Greece is not one homogeneous lump, I can well understand how there might be shortages in some hospitals and pharmacies serving large cities but the same is not necessarily true of the less populous areas - which is where most of the tourists are.

I fully appreciate that the job of the British Foreign Office is to ensure the well-being of British citizens abroad but they should also be aware that what they advise impacts the tourism business of other countries. In Greece especially, where 20% of the income is from tourism and given their current difficulties, any reduction in tourist numbers makes the economic situation for ordinary Greeks in the tourism sector even worse. The British Foreign Office has a duty to ensure that the advise they give is accurate and current and I'm uncomfortable with the thought that they seem to think that "media reports" on their own are reliable.

 

[jimbaerselman]

In the first place "the media" has shown itself to be far from trustworthy where accuracy is concerned and certainly parts of the UK press (the Daily Mail for one) have been more interested in sensationalist stories than in real facts . . . . . . .

The more extreme media don't help.

A German "stirrer" is Das Bild. Their headlines and articles about Greece, Greeks, and the crisis can only be described as toxic - and they've been dripping out since the first bail-out around 2009. The theme since then has been "Greeks - Out". A culminating article can be seen at http://www.thelocal.de/20150703/bild-calls-own-greece-referendum


In Greece, this steady campaign urging Greece to leave "so German pensioners don't have to pay for profligate Greek spending" has caused some anti German reaction. And worse, some resurrection of enforced Nazi occupation debts which were never repaid. In turn, this reaction been reported by Das Bild as "some anti German hysteria". Guess the effect . . .

I've just been talking with several hotel and camp site owners in the SW corner of the Peloponnese. They're reporting a some 30% drop in German visitors this year, an increase in French visitors, and slight increase in Brits. Those Germans who do come have been pointing out Das Bild's anti-Greek press program as the probable reason for the drop. And also as an element pushing against compromise by Merkel.

OK, this is only a small sample. Maybe it doesn't apply in the islands or elsewhere n Greece.

Either way:

 

[1bobt]

The more extreme media don't help.

A German "stirrer" is Das Bild. Their headlines and articles about Greece, Greeks, and the crisis can only be described as toxic - and they've been dripping out since the first bail-out around 2009. The theme since then has been "Greeks - Out". A culminating article can be seen at http://www.thelocal.de/20150703/bild-calls-own-greece-referendum


In Greece, this steady campaign urging Greece to leave "so German pensioners don't have to pay for profligate Greek spending" has caused some anti German reaction. And worse, some resurrection of enforced Nazi occupation debts which were never repaid. In turn, this reaction been reported by Das Bild as "some anti German hysteria". Guess the effect . . .

I've just been talking with several hotel and camp site owners in the SW corner of the Peloponnese. They're reporting a some 30% drop in German visitors this year, an increase in French visitors, and slight increase in Brits. Those Germans who do come have been pointing out Das Bild's anti-Greek press program as the probable reason for the drop. And also as an element pushing against compromise by Merkel.

OK, this is only a small sample. Maybe it doesn't apply in the islands or elsewhere n Greece.

Either way:

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I have just come out of Argos general hospital where I nearly died from blood poisoning .I spent 10 days there and had a service second to none .I went to a local medical centre in Gallitas where they immediately transferred me to Argos ,where their main man was waiting for my arrival , blood tests were completed in 1//2 hour and doctors acted on these test within the hour.There was no shortage of anti biotic and the nursing care was suburb .
Why people not living In Greece post so many silly thing about the place is behond
me.

 

[Bertramdriver]

Due to be back on the boat in a couple of weeks and not a little worried about the hysterical media clusterf*ck. How are things on the ground? Is diesel available ok? Are the supermarkets still trading? Any current news would be appreciated.

 

[sailaboutvic]

On one hand I can't blame the EU for wanting Greece to pull thier socks up , I think we all seen the waste of EU money in Greece in the past and it no sceart that some greeks have screwed the EU , on the other hand it upset me to think another EU country can make it very diffcuity for greece to stay in unless their agree to all their terms ,
I been staying for years that Germany having be able to take over Europe with war so they invented the EU , I am so glade we kept our sterling at less we have a say , even tho I have alway been pro EU , I am now started to wonder if it isn't best for the UK to move away , when you see how if the EU club decided to gang up on us , we wouldn't have a chance .
, as far as what happen on Greece , we popped over on Friday to one of the biggest islands , Rhodes , althought we had to que at the ATM there was only four in front , that about two more then normal , supermarkets seen to have full selfes , no panicked buying , all the fuel we wanted altho we had to pay with cash in one garage , , everyone we talked to wasn't really worried about the vote , most said nothing will change what ever people voted , I guess there mean by that , greece will still have a debt .
My hopes are that Germany back down and give Greece a breathing space or the other EU country's start to gang up on Germany , althought greece turning up without a plain isn't going to help them in any way , you have to wonder if Alexis T plain isn't to get Greece out of the euro

 

[duncan99210]

As of Monday, diesel was available from the fuel berths at Lefkas town and Lefkas marina. No signs of any shortages of food stuffs in local stores in the places we've been to over the past few days.

 

[Tony Cross]

All quiet on the Cretan front too.......

 

[Max K]

Maybe it will go this way. We fly back there on Sunday afternoon - SUCH timing!

http://rt.com/business/272083-russia-greece-brics-ushakov/

Max

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