Great cruising boat suggestions.

[pvb]

I have to admit to thinking exactly the same! It was also mentioned on here recently. At least one of the boats we have viewed would have been ruled out on those grounds. I also seen an oceanquest with the same fault.
Allan

My last boat was an HR352 (from 1990, so one of the last they made) and I reckon it was about 3 years away from needing a replacement teak deck. Because HRs have very narrow teak planks, there's a lot more labour in doing an HR deck, and I was looking at quotes of £25-30K.

Westerly teak decks were only teak veneer on a ply substrate, and deteriorate rapidly. Best avoided.

 

[doug748]

"Really a 36 but named as 37.
Reportedly in excellent condition and can therefore be added to, thus totally suiting your needs and not eventually overstretching your budget?

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Sloops-for-sale/jeanneau-sun-odyssey/105600#3XIyY8Ph6vRywVF5.97


Ey up.

Call me an old misery guts but that is the last suggestion I would have expected.

 

[geem]

My last boat was an HR352 (from 1990, so one of the last they made) and I reckon it was about 3 years away from needing a replacement teak deck. Because HRs have very narrow teak planks, there's a lot more labour in doing an HR deck, and I was looking at quotes of £25-30K.

Westerly teak decks were only teak veneer on a ply substrate, and deteriorate rapidly. Best avoided.

Having just replaced teak decks on our 44ft yacht with flush decks I can concur with quotes for replacement. However, we have opted for new teak in the cockpit and the high level deck area in front of the spray hood. The main deck area is now glass and deck paint. We like to think of it as the tropical deck! You can walk on it in sun without burning your feet and there about 2500 less holes in the deck! Total cost about £12k. Teak in cockpit is 18mm and epoxied down. Very pleased with results

 

[pvb]

Having just replaced teak decks on our 44ft yacht with flush decks I can concur with quotes for replacement. However, we have opted for new teak in the cockpit and the high level deck area in front of the spray hood. The main deck area is now glass and deck paint. We like to think of it as the tropical deck! You can walk on it in sun without burning your feet and there about 2500 less holes in the deck! Total cost about £12k. Teak in cockpit is 18mm and epoxied down. Very pleased with results

It's a sensible solution. However, HR buyers generally expect a teak deck, so if it hasn't got one it will be (a) more difficult to resell and (b) worth a lot less on resale. If the boat make/model wasn't firmly associated with teak decks, the deck paint solution is viable.

 

[jonic]

To the OP

I have a regular stock of boats that may appeal at http://www.jryachts.com/yachts-for-sale

Currently there are two very good Rivals (there was a Rustler but she has just sold) and we often have Moody, Westerly etc. Some yachts are sold but the details are still there and will give you some ideas.

I personally have crossed the Atlantic and cruised the Med and Caribbean in a Westerly Corsair and a Moody 38. Both good.

Our current boat is a totally re-fitted Contest 36s from 1985. We love it.

I was asked to sell it for a client but fell in live and bought her myself. Here she is pre-refit http://www.jryachts.com/boat-details?boatid=1136474

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

It's a sensible solution. However, HR buyers generally expect a teak deck, so if it hasn't got one it will be (a) more difficult to resell and (b) worth a lot less on resale. If the boat make/model wasn't firmly associated with teak decks, the deck paint solution is viable.

I'm not so sure I concur. Perhaps the next generation of HR owners wont touch an ageing one unless the deck has been sorted.
New GRP decks do not need to be painted.
Mine wasn't It had a new strand glass strengthening layer after the old GRP beneath the teak was filled and 'levelled'.
Then the areas of non slip marked out and border taped so that a layer of a resin flowcoat could be brushed around the rest.
Then the non slip areas were taped to allow a non slip mix of GRP and a secret additive applied.
Some photos of beginning the job here...
http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?442813-Us-PBO-s-often-get-low-during-a-major-winters-refit

It still appears good in all areas 4 years on and I'm not precious with it. It's tougher than 2pack paint.
http://s725.photobucket.com/user/johnscottorn/media/1379512242503.jpg.html?sort=6&o=9

Not sure why Doug748 was so surprised at this……
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/S...67xkuCKdHIg.97
As we were seriously considering ending our sailing life in the Med for a good few years, it's exactly what I considered. A good few of these have cruised extensively and with all the right gear added for around 10- 20K, it would do a turn for at least another 20-30 years and if cared for would still be worth more than a 40 year old HR with a knackered deck.
Sorry HR owners, but it's beginning to look like a reality.

However, a good DIY job on ripping up an old teak deck is no problem as long as the old teak is not screwed down.... oops, did someone say HR's have over 100 screws in the average 36footer?

S.

 

[geem]

It's a sensible solution. However, HR buyers generally expect a teak deck, so if it hasn't got one it will be (a) more difficult to resell and (b) worth a lot less on resale. If the boat make/model wasn't firmly associated with teak decks, the deck paint solution is viable.

We know two owners of HRs in Caribbean who have purchased HR because they had had their teak decks removed. They said they would not have bought an HR otherwise. There are a lot of experienced sailors that know how much work teak can be. It was the only downside when we purchased our yacht. We have now dealt with it. Anybody looking at an older yacht that has teak decks would rightly expect a huge discount due to the impending large bill for replacement or you buy one that has had them removed professionally. I would expect the yacht with the great deck to be worth more than the one with the failed deck. Obviously this wouldn't apply to buying new but if you have teak in the Med or Caribbean you will know how poor it is to walk on in hot sun. It isn't for everybody. I admit they look great but very pleased with our low maintenance and leak proof alternative. We still have 80ft2 of teak though on high level deck and cockpit

 

[doug748]

"Not sure why Doug748 was so surprised at this……
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/S...67xkuCKdHIg.97
As we were seriously considering ending our sailing life in the Med for a good few years, it's exactly what I considered. "

This one:

http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Sloops-for-sale/jeanneau-sun-odyssey/105600#v3HV1GEl1Mt8VUZR.97

A commendable choice for use in it's intended role as a charter boat in that area.

But we know the OP has been looking upmarket so it is not likely the sort of suggestion that would suit, particularly as he has a preference for more heavily ballasted boats.

The Jeanneau probably has a very low Stix of 33 (wouldn't be nice if these figures were made available with details and graphical results of inclining tests) as sold new. That boat has a dinghy in davits, furling mainsail, and bimini, the accumulated sailing junk aboard most boats would depress this even further. This would almost certainly push it's stability into Cat B, not a hot choice for sailing 1000 miles from land.

The icing on the doughnut is that one hit a rock in Scilly a few years ago and the keel fell off

He said he did not want a furling main or a scoop stern so we should take him at his word. That's why I was surprised.

 

[Scotty_Tradewind]

"
This one:
http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/Sloops-for-sale/jeanneau-sun-odyssey/105600#v3HV1GEl1Mt8VUZR.97

Yep I take your point. I should read the small print!

I still would find it a very attractive boat if I intended to cruise quietly round Greece in my dotage.

I went a little down the price list as I know just how much it takes to bring a boat up to best spec' for distance liveaboard cruising.

How about the Tradewind 39' ? This one went for £22K - I missed buying it by a whisker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fff6vnPvaMI oops I forgot 36' max.
S.

 

[Tim Good]

But with a limited budget we went for bigger and relatively modern - 42ft 1999 Jeanneau. A bigger boat has a much more stable and less tiring platform for hoisting sails although it isn't as easy as my old 24 footer obviously.

Generally yes but if someone said "you have to sail across the North Atlantic right now to win £1million.. here is a 42ft Jeanneau or a 32ft Contessa.

I'd take the latter.

 

[Tranona]

Generally yes but if someone said "you have to sail across the North Atlantic right now to win £1million.. here is a 42ft Jeanneau or a 32ft Contessa.

I'd take the latter.

But the person who chose the Jeanneau would be there long before, pocketed the £1m and be lying on the beach quaffing champagne.

 

[tcm]

But the person who chose the Jeanneau would be there long before, pocketed the £1m and be lying on the beach quaffing champagne.

Quite so. I'll be solo transat soon on a 57, much better that a 36 or a 42 (tho not as good as a cat....)

 

[FullCircle]

Generally yes but if someone said "you have to sail across the North Atlantic right now to win £1million.. here is a 42ft Jeanneau or a 32ft Contessa.

I'd take the latter.

The way a Contessa leaks, I wouldn't.... However, many AWBs continue to tear up the rule book on ocean crossing. Crikey, a fifteen year old girl took a Jeanneau 34 on a single handed circumnavigation, and she wasn't the first.

 

[Tim Good]

But the person who chose the Jeanneau would be there long before, pocketed the £1m and be lying on the beach quaffing champagne.

Or not make it at all because the keel fell off or hit a fish and holed it.

The way a Contessa leaks, I wouldn't.... However, many AWBs continue to tear up the rule book on ocean crossing. Crikey, a fifteen year old girl took a Jeanneau 34 on a single handed circumnavigation, and she wasn't the first.

Guppy wasn't exactly a normal off the shelf Jeanneau.

 

[flaming]

I happen to know of an extremely well equipped Sadler 34 that's just returned from an Atlantic circuit and is probably on the market.

 

[FullCircle]

Or not make it at all because the keel fell off or hit a fish and holed it.



Guppy wasn't exactly a normal off the shelf Jeanneau.

What was it then?

Here's another one: http://alainmaignan.sportblog.fr/
And another one: http://www.geocities.ws/haffiman37/

Miraculously the Jeanneau 37 incident you sniffingly refer to, the boat didn't sink, it sailed on for 60 miles before capsizing (unsurprisingly) http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/190-charter-boat-loses-keel-and-no-one-noticed

Remember that all sorts of boats have foundered, for all sorts of reasons.

And as a last laugh Shane Acton did it in a plywood 17 footer......

 

[Sybarite]

Or not make it at all because the keel fell off or hit a fish and holed it.



Guppy wasn't exactly a normal off the shelf Jeanneau.

Guppy is a 38' Gin Fizz and was designed by Michel Joubert. About 600 were made and they have sailed all over the world. It was the precursor to the 39' Sun Fizz.

It was considered under-canvassed but Joubert counters with " when you are long distance cruising the last thing you want is to constantly be taking in and shaking out reefs."

 

[Sybarite]

On the Attainable Adventure Cruising site, there is a good series of articles on the conception of a 40' adventure cruising boat. It is being conceived by a small group of very experienced yachtsmen plus a naval architect and, by sticking with a very tight specification, the idea is to be able to sell it new for about $ 200000.

https://www.morganscloud.com/series/boat-design-selection-adventure-40/

 

[jonic]

Here's another one to throw into the mix https://www.facebook.com/JohnRodriguezYachts

It's out of the budget a bit, but the Island Packet 350 is a very comfortable cruising boat. They tend to divide opinion, but for a long distance passage maker to live on they are hugely comfortable.

Being American the galley and heads are extremely well appointed. The fridge is almost the size of some aft cabins! Tons of headroom and high quality finish down below and a versatile cutter rig up top.

And although named as a 350 they are actually almost 37 ft at 36ft 10 inches.

I really like them and one would be on our shortlist.

 

[Sybarite]

Here's another one to throw into the mix https://www.facebook.com/JohnRodriguezYachts

It's out of the budget a bit, but the Island Packet 350 is a very comfortable cruising boat. They tend to divide opinion, but for a long distance passage maker to live on they are hugely comfortable.

Being American the galley and heads are extremely well appointed. The fridge is almost the size of some aft cabins! Tons of headroom and high quality finish down below and a versatile cutter rig up top.

And although named as a 350 they are actually almost 37 ft at 36ft 10 inches.

I really like them and one would be on our shortlist.

It is really nice John. I wonder why American boats always look more comfortable than European ones?