JonJon
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Brilliant
Got the new DEKPA today in Preveza
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Brilliant
Mr Cassandra
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This thing about the license concerns me.I have lost both certificates obtained from sailing schools and have asked for replacements ,which they cannot supply RYA do not issue copy's .
On the other hand after sailing out in Greece since 1997 for a minimum of six weeks a year on my own boat ,have never been asked for one.
On the other hand after sailing out in Greece since 1997 for a minimum of six weeks a year on my own boat ,have never been asked for one.
sailaboutvic
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I know the feeling , we sailed in and out of Greece for must be 20 years now and this is the first time every .
But so you are aware and others , on the form they give me to fill in , it had a list of stuff they needed to see , and one was skipper lic .
Now the question is , what would they say if you said , in British law I don't need to have a lic for anything private boat under 15 mts .
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jimbaerselman
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They'll say, "but when you're sailing in Greek waters, you have to obey Greek regulations . . ."
And they'll be correct, 'cos when you're cruising port to port, you're no longer under "innocent passage" rules, per UNCLOS, subject to only to your flag state regulations.
sailaboutvic
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If your right Jim , that could be a bit of a worry to a lot of people , it would mean you would need to carry a life ralf and flares , it would also apply to holding tanks and god knows what else .
What I remember clearly is the problem some years back in Portugal regarding out of date or non safely equipment , unless I have it wrong and I may , they couldn't inforce the law unless the boat was in the country more then six month .
macd
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And before that, in New Zealand, which was forced to back-down on similar policy. There's a legal concept (the name of which escapes me, but Tranona would know) applicable to UNCLOS, which gives the flag state's rules primacy in some circumstances. If I remember correctly, NZ was prohibiting non-NZ vessels from leaving it's waters without certain safety equipment.
Far be it from me to support additional regulation, but it seems to me that Greece is perfectly entitled to demand qualifications in its own waters. However, I'm bound to observe that vessels from many of the states which demand qualifications of their citizens often display the lowest levels of seamanship. Very basic qualifications such as ICC are convenient things for governments to hang their hat on, but do they actually achieve very much? To the Greek PP it won't matter either way: anything they can put a stamp on is by definition A Good Thing.
LadyInBed
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I was going to ask what is acceptable as a Captains Licence. I think you might have just answered my Q
cynthia
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Excellent info, thanks. Did you manage to get the documentation before you launched, or was the boat already in the water?
RichardS
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Hopefully my Yachtmaster theory will suffice in a few months time in Gouvia as it does in Croatia. Last time in Greece in 2014 the PP did not ask for any licence but perhaps things will be different this July?
Richard
sailaboutvic
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If you can get away with your old one Richard , I think you be fine .
It just when you have to buy a new one , they give you a form to take to the KEP office which you also have to fill in , on that form there a list of stuff they want when you return to the PP .
You could just give in your driving lic like I did , or E111
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sailaboutvic
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Some interesting point on the new DEPKA .
All the little boxes to stamp have gone .
Instead there 8 places where departure and Arrived info , this is where the stamps are going to go .
Then there another 5 boxes of each , for info on the skipper or owner including passport number , address, email , tax number .
Then there another 12 boxes to add crew when they arrive and when they leave , passport , nationality and so on .
Which leave five more boxes for the yearly stamp , one which is already used up .
So it looks like this DEPKA will only last five years .
Unless it used up with crew changes , then I not sure what happen , maybe you just add a list to it or have to buy a new one .
All the little boxes to stamp have gone .
Instead there 8 places where departure and Arrived info , this is where the stamps are going to go .
Then there another 5 boxes of each , for info on the skipper or owner including passport number , address, email , tax number .
Then there another 12 boxes to add crew when they arrive and when they leave , passport , nationality and so on .
Which leave five more boxes for the yearly stamp , one which is already used up .
So it looks like this DEPKA will only last five years .
Unless it used up with crew changes , then I not sure what happen , maybe you just add a list to it or have to buy a new one .
sailaboutvic
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One boat is still on the hard , ( anyone interested in an 2009 Dufour 385 in great condition)
we sailed in on our second boat , but to answer your question people was being launched when I was over the yard which ant yet gone to the PP.
Th be honest , I don't think there really that bother as yet .
overstag
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I got the new DEKPA before launching.
Cleopatra boatyard emailed all the clients that they need a new one before launching.
Although I don't think it matters. Cleopatra wasn't interested to see the new DEKPA today, when we launched.
Cleopatra boatyard emailed all the clients that they need a new one before launching.
Although I don't think it matters. Cleopatra wasn't interested to see the new DEKPA today, when we launched.
sailaboutvic
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Ah that must be you anchored just out side the yard .
overstag
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Were you there in the Italian flagged yacht? We anchored there for a moment to try our new windlass.
Spent last night on the Preveza town quay. At the end...
Spent last night on the Preveza town quay. At the end...
sailaboutvic
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Ah you the Dutch flag boat who left this morning , we are on the other end of the quay . Away from the town .
overstag
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Yes, that was us. We're in Paxos now. The only ones! How nice to sail here in March.
Hardmy
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Lucky you! Please post a couple of pictures, it would help to improve the mood of those poor guys stuck in the office :-(
Mr Cassandra
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I am more than a little concerned,I have tried to get copy's of my certificates, but have failed .I do have my commercial tickets but no ICc.
Tony Cross
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Try different PP offices and even different shifts in the same office. The Greek PP are famous for not understanding their own laws and rules so a bit of polite persistence will probably pay off.