Getting away with Murder?

of course there is nothing wrong with stoning, cutting off of hands, testicles etc as punishment for crime. the problem only arises when muslims demand that the punishments of sharia be introduced into this country. don`t they know that only white middle class boaters are allowed to make such suggestions.
 
Manslaughter is when you kill by accident or when you didn't know the result of your action(s) would result in death. Then there is murder (heat of the moment)and premeditated murder.
 
Particularly relevant at the time that the murderer of a schoolgirl appears to have been caught through DNA evidence. Poor Kevin Kiszko (think that's how you spell it) was totally vindicated having served 17 years for a murder he didn't commit and dying within a year of release of a heart attack.

Most murders are still committed within the family. Which I suppose says something for family life.

I do, however, agree about cutting off their goolies. First it stops them breeding and second I don't think that would be a badge of honour like an ASBO has become in some circles. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Even then I guess the guys would feel they had nothing left to lose and how do you deal with the women...oh I give up.
 
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Why should they get to have a normal life, their victims never got that opportunity, and the victims families will never know the meaning of a normal life after their loss.

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I'd love to know if they would be so forgiving if their child/sister/mother was attacked or murdered.

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HEAR! HEAR!

The animals in the Bulger case were described by the Judge as "Evil"....yet they were released arter a relatively short time. To add insult to injury, part of the taxes that you people are paying was used in providing the new identities!

Now if that is not 'getting away with murder', clear premeditated intention to harm, I don't imagine what would be.

Seeing the video of the innocently trusting little boy being led by the hand and knowing what followed ought to convince anyone of the evil that was in those two criminals.

Imagine having little children and one of those two 'rehabilitated' beings came to live next door under a new identity!

Rehabilitate what? The scum of the earth?
 
A couple we're friends with out here were victims of armed assault on Tuesday, people waiting for them inside the grounds of their house jumped them with a knife and a sawn-off, all the usual got taken, plus 2 shotguns that were in the house, the two robbers were from Suriname and were high on crack, not a great experience for our friends but they didn't get killed which is always a bonus.

3 sets of Gendarmes came round, ended up chatting at length to one about how the police are restricted in doing their job in the west, in Brazil, criminals are executed by police squads, in Suriname and Guyana the criminals are scared of the police thanks to beatings and the reality that they can't do what they like, plus the fact, the jails in these countries aren't the 5 star hotels we have in the UK.

In Europe, criminals aren't bothered, illegal immigrants, or anyone can come, commit a crime, go into prison a skinny runt, do (half) their time, come outside after being in the gym all day every day and having received an education in crime.

According to this chap the police work a fine line, a lot of the time they know who the criminals are, they can see them cycling down the road on a bike they know isn't theirs but they can't stop them for fear of harrassment charges, so they end up turning a blind eye to certain things. If they stick their neck out it can get cut off, so lots don't (maybe this is just the French Police, I don't know).

Gendarme seemed to think a medium had to be reached, didn't condone executions (obviously) but all were agreed that criminals in our (European) society need to get scared of the police again, if the state has its head so far up its arse that it can't see it's not protecting the victims, then things need to change.

Maybe look to Singapore for inspiration? Public flogging? When do the serious criminals start lose rights?

Where the hell did all this political mincing come from?
 
John, John, John!!!

I hope your friends are ok and that everything turns out well.

I like your points that you raise, you have surprised me, but I know where your coming from.

You ever felt like taking things into your own hands?

The Gendarmes frustration is understandable, you can't do right for doing wrong sometimes, eh?

All the best mate, /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bullet and Mrs Bullet!!!!!!!!!
 
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...go into prison...and having received an education in crime...

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But a least they are only receiving an education from the failed criminals, the ones who were no good and got caught. It is far worse when they get an education from the clever criminals on the out, who don't get caught.
 
The Bulger case was awful. I've got young kids myself and the cctv footage of him being led away is heartbreaking. But I still have a real problem with accepting that any ten-year-old child can fully grasp the magnitude of what they're doing when they kill another child. What Thompson and Venables did was wicked beyond belief, and a normal, well-adjusted kid of that age will know that they shouldn't do it, but to say that they should be hanged (as one person has said) or imprisoned for the rest of their life would be, imho, as heinous a crime as the original murder.

There's no easy answer to a complex issue like this.

I shall take cover now........
 
I do not think you need to take cover James.

It is a bloody difficult one to categories.

Their families suffered as well as Mr & Mrs Bulger's did, not in the same way I grant you, but suffered all the same.

I can't imagine how I'd feel if my child had done anything remotely similar. But then again, I would like to think that by ten years old my children would understand how evil something like that would be.

Al
 
Actually with reference to taking things into yr own hands, a friend of mine lives out of town, several neighbours etc but quite well spaced out, there have been several incidents in the area and the Gendarme actually told me friend (she's a girly, but I wouldn't mess with her), that if she did end up killing someone with the duty shotgun, bin the body in the jungle and don't call them, paperwork nightmares and the corpse would be gone in a week (if that).

Law of the jungle I spose!!

Apart from that, you never know what you'll do in a situation till you're in it, so I dunny speculate.
 
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"if there was a bit more corporal and capital punishment, the incidence of these kind of attacks would be reduced"

A quick glance back through recorded history will illuminate the myth that violent retribution is any deterrent be it murder or petty theft ie.stealing loaves of bread.
Several instances of child on child murder during the Victorian/Edwardian "hang em high' idyll with something approaching 100 capitol offences in even earlier periods proving no answer to highway robbery or cutpurses and the like.
 
it certainly seems strange that he drove to a police station to report what had happened and handing in the pistol, as well as the discrepancies reported by the High Court.
 
BBC News site didn't show much background explanation other but the Amnesty International site does.

It would appear that a major part of the problem is that one court cleared him and another did not, and the Shariat Judges did not agree - seems a very complex system.

Do people get tried by both courts as a matter of course if their crimes are deemed to come under Islamic Law or different courts depending on the crime? Do they then have two potentially different sentences to serve or fines to pay?
 
I am amazed that a subject like this should be discussed on a forum site for sailing.

I come to this forum to escape the crazy world, not revel in it.

What ever happended to the forum moderators. Are they all on watch ?

I bet this is one message thread does not get into next months editon of YM.
 
These forums have always had topics other than sailing. The introduction of the Lounge has changed the balance significantly, though you still get non boating topics outside the Lounge. A few years ago, you'd have been hard pushed to find the boaty threads, expect in PBO, which has always been the reserve of purely technical threads, and many of us try to maintain that, but are then accused of being forum police.
 
i`m afraid i can`t help you with an understanding of the reasons why this case developed as it did. presumably the religious courts have the right to re-try cases but i don`t know what the rules are.
 
In that case who cares about sailng anymore on the forum.

I would like to discuss the Cliff Richard concert I attended last night at Wembley Areana- absolutely fabulous, and guess what nobody got murdered !

Poor old Cliff forget the words to one of his songs and had to ask the band to start bagin. Signs of Dementia maybe, but with 32 songs to sing in an evening we just had agood laugh.

But the encore finale had us spell bound. Cliff came on stage at the end of the show with Brian Bennet of The Shadows fame and Brian May from Queen to record a live video, that was a remix of his hit single Move It.

His new Album comes out next week called Duets. Much better investment than reading the next YM's Forum Murder She Wrote message thread.
 
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