Foredeck Tender Storage

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Copied from another thread where I enquired about storing a tender on the foredeck...

MapisM said:
The answer is bound to see it depends, P. There are many ways to skin that cat, how well you secure the thing being the most important thing.
I used to place it there on my old Airon Marine, a 42kts max/35+ cruise boat, and it never moved one bit. But I used quite a few lines and belts.
Also, I always kept it reversed (hull upward), and with the bow forward.
It did obstruct the view during transition from D to P speed, but once on the plane the boat was rode pretty flat and the rib was not an issue.
All to be checked on your boat - but generally feasible, I would say. With a bit of care. :encouragement:
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Thanks, P. I do have snap davits on the back but I'm not a great fan of them as having a dinghy on them does rather monopolize the bathing platform. And I'm still rather baulking at the £250 cost of the pads / stand-offs plus of course the hassle of fitting / correctly placing them (which is bound to go wrong).

Regarding obstructed view, the helm seat on the T34 is woefully low (for a short ar$e like me) so I'm pretty much resigned to standing for a lot of the time.

Anyhow, I'll give it a go the next time I'm onboard.

Incidentally, I'm pleased with the "Roll-up" Zodiac that we choose over the "Aerodeck". You really can deflate the thing in a couple of minutes (easier of course on the pontoon than on bathing platform). I do need to invest in a decent electric pump and also fix the 12v socket on the back of our boat.
 
I keep banana rides and inflatable canoes on the foredeck ( and this season and inflatable sail boat and slide as well. Pikey camp is probably an appropriate description!

If you buy 316 stainless ratchet straps off eBay nothing will move and securing it is very quick.
 
jrudge said:
I keep banana rides and inflatable canoes on the foredeck ( and this season and inflatable sail boat and slide as well. Pikey camp is probably an appropriate description!

If you buy 316 stainless ratchet straps off eBay nothing will move and securing it is very quick.
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Thanks. Do you ratchet strap to the foredeck rails? Not sure I like the idea of that (dunno how well they are secured on my boat). I'm thinking some bungess of the correct length might work.
 
I suppose that bungess is the name of those elastic cords meant for baggage racks?
If so, I'd rather use lines (to be attached to the RIB eyebolts - typically on the transom and under the keel at the bow) or belts/straps, but nothing elastic anyway.
Whenever cruising in some headwind, you don't want the rib to lift from the deck after hitting a wave, even just for a second, because if the wind "grabs" it, the consequences could be nasty.
I'd be surprised if your rails wouldn't withstand the pull of some ratchet straps, anyhow.
You don't need to tighten them to death, in fact - just enough to feel that the RIB is well secured and can't go anywhere.
 
MapisM said:
I suppose that bungess is the name of those elastic cords meant for baggage racks?
If so, I'd rather use lines (to be attached to the RIB eyebolts - typically on the transom and under the keel at the bow) or belts/straps, but nothing elastic anyway.
Whenever cruising in some headwind, you don't want the rib to lift from the deck after hitting a wave, even just for a second, because if the wind "grabs" it, the consequences could be nasty.
I'd be surprised if your rails wouldn't withstand the pull of some ratchet straps, anyhow.
You don't need to tighten them to death, in fact - just enough to feel that the RIB is well secured and can't go anywhere.
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Point taken. Actually I think ratchet straps might be useful to have on board anyway (useful for securing bits of the boat that decide to come adrift!). Threading them through the eyelets on the underside of the dinghy would work well.
 
There is no way a bungee will hold it and in my view no way a ratchet strap over an Inflatable could possibly pull out the rails. If so your rails need attention anyway!!

The dingy acts as a natural buffer /absorber.

Under way the dingy will have a lot of lift if the wind is at the right angle.
 
jrudge said:
There is no way a bungee will hold it and in my view no way a ratchet strap over an Inflatable could possibly pull out the rails. If so your rails need attention anyway!!

The dingy acts as a natural buffer /absorber.

Under way the dingy will have a lot of lift if the wind is at the right angle.
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There's nothing wrong with my rails!

I just wondered if they were properly bolted in with a metal backing plate behind the GRP or self tappers. Thinking about it they are probably secured with a big washers under the foredeck GRP so won;t come out easily.
 
Get a pump with a rechargeable lithium battery then you won't need 12v sockets and cables ... will do many pump ups and deflations between recharging ... :encouragement:
 
I used to stow the tender on the foredeck, but by the time you have strapped it down properly/compromised the view/ it wasn't that great an idea - except for slow pootling on a wind free day back to the marina.
Be careful if you do it, that it doesn't press the windlass switches - that can really ruin your day, (I thought I had set the boat on fire!)

If you plan on using the tender regularly bite the bullet and get the snapdavits - safely stowed when under way and quick to drop in the water, and a fast electric pump to blow it up/ collapse it down for when you want it out of the way in the marina.
 
Thanks for the advice. Storage in the marina isn't an issue as on one side I have two spare berths and on the other a single spare berth. I'm actually getting a bit paranoid that nobody wants to be near us (obviously heard my snoring or seen me parking the boat)!

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The boat behind me is an old ferrous concrete thing, never seen it move. Even sadder is a Beneteau or something sail boat that's about 7 years old but hasn't been visited for the last 5 years. I'm surprised it hasn't sunk.
 
I tried putting my tender on my foredeck on my last boat with ratchet straps, but I found it was aggressive on the tender in harsh conditions. I deflated it and strapped it stowed in its bag and the bag ripped in a few places. Lighter conditions would have been fine.

On another note I invested in an expensive rechargeable pump but its so useful and inflates a tender in no time, without the need to top up manually - https://www.scoprega.it/en/catalogo/ge-20-1/
 
I tried to put my tender on the foredeck once so I could fish from the back. It blocked the view some yes, but what really surprised me was how damn heavy and awkward it was to actually haul out and pull over the guard rails. Too much for one person and the resultant effort and aggro made the snap davit route such an obvious favourite. I suppose a small diameter tube light weight tender as seen on most sailing yachts would alleviate this some but they also always seem to walk around with either waterproof leggings or a wet backside.
 
petem said:
Does anyone know if there's a noticeable difference between Weaver and Instalock snap davit pads (I'm slightly confused as they both seem to be made or at least sold by Polymarine?
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I think that Weaver are American. Instalock is a cut price version which I have recently put onto the platform on my Targa 37. It's a cheaper product but appears okay so far, the pads have stuck well to the excel dinghy and the arms are ok.

I'm not sure how different the edge of your platform on the Targa 34 is to the 37 but I needed to use the extended arms, in conjunction with the quick release kit so they can be removed if required. Bolting them on was a challenge due to the thickness of the platform. The rear bolts had to have Weaver toggles attached as they went into a void within the platform. The front bolts went straight through and could have the nuts put on underneath. A bit fiddly but a plastic tub positioned under the bolt can catch any nuts that fall off or don't want to go on properly (boat was in the water).

Picture attached (if it works)
 
petem said:
Do you have any recommendations or a link to such a pump?
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BTP 12
Can’t insert a pic, I seem to have exceeded my limit
They come with or without a battery and you used to be able choose between a lead acid or lithium battery.
They were about €200 with a small lead acid, that never ran out of power. They can give you the high pressure necessary for air decks or stand up paddles.
We have two, one onboard for the toys and another to take to the beach.
They come in a black soft case with the battery inserted into the side pocket. The pressure is set with a rotating dial, and I put pencil marks on the dial so I don’t have to remember all the different pressures for every toy.
The only problems I have had is that sometimes you have to hold the nozzle tight against the tender so it doesn’t leak air and take too long. And the salt air corrodes the zipper on the case so it’s difficult to open.
 
Bouba said:
BTP 12
Can’t insert a pic, I seem to have exceeded my limit
They come with or without a battery and you used to be able choose between a lead acid or lithium battery.
They were about €200 with a small lead acid, that never ran out of power. They can give you the high pressure necessary for air decks or stand up paddles.
We have two, one onboard for the toys and another to take to the beach.
They come in a black soft case with the battery inserted into the side pocket. The pressure is set with a rotating dial, and I put pencil marks on the dial so I don’t have to remember all the different pressures for every toy.
The only problems I have had is that sometimes you have to hold the nozzle tight against the tender so it doesn’t leak air and take too long. And the salt air corrodes the zipper on the case so it’s difficult to open.
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Thanks. As a slightly cheaper alternative, I wonder if this would work for me?

http://www.ibsparts.co.uk/bravo-pum...att-inc-rechargeable-battery-max-4-4-psi.html

I think 4.4psi would be fine for a dinghy wouldn't it?

Pete
 
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