First voyage to sea for a newbie

[waynes world]

Well a very much newbie. so please bear with here as its just an idea for adventure and not going to go at it full steam ahead with no thought, my wife loves me so i best stay around a bit longer

Having got my boat being a Fairline Fury running twin inboard AQ115 and running sweet, it will be fully tested by myself and hopefully a much more experienced person ( i have a chap to ask ) over the winter as it will be moored near Glasson Dock for sea trials as and when good to do so.

So if i can get experience and RYA courses done before March/April next year it would be one hell of an adventure to cruise down from Glasson Dock to the Menai Straits, plan would be to stop at Liverpool Docks which is half way being a full journey of 80nm, roughly from the online Nav i am using. And leave the boat there for good weather for next half of the trip.

As said all will be done with experience if i can gain it in the next 5- 6 months with professional help and advice.

Overall its a 80nm trip with the first half being 40nm to Liverpool. I see if any problems there are a few safe havens as in Fleetwood, up the Ribble to Rufford down River Douglas, then Rhyl etc.

I am i wanting to much wit not enough expereience, if i can gain it ?

I am just seeing it as an as adventure to towing it down to the new mooring on the Straits.

Oh and on Fuel, its petrol if that matters. if my workings are correct then it will take at maybe 16 gallon of fuel at 5nmpg, so not much in the 65g tank, thats is being generous on consumption. as at cruising speed of 20 it does i believe around 12nmpg.

 

[ProDave]

First you have picked an awkward port to depart on your very first trip, highly tidal dependant with a very short opening time and not a place to make navigation mistakes.

And Liverpool is not much better.

 

[waynes world]

First you have picked an awkward port to depart on your very first trip, highly tidal dependant with a very short opening time and not a place to make navigation mistakes.

And Liverpool is not much better.

its not choice its where boat will be going from as in mooring.

as said new to this so may be wrong but are most trips down to planning on tides and times etc.

 

[dankilb]

I’d swerve Liverpool (our home port… as much as we’d love to welcome you!). It’s a big and potentially stressful detour. Conwy would be a better stop.

 

[waynes world]

I’d swerve Liverpool (our home port… as much as we’d love to welcome you!). It’s a big and potentially stressful detour. Conwy would be a better stop.

As a newbie i just dont want to push it. I looked at going all way at an 8hr trip, but thought best to stop half way.

 

[colhel]

Oh and on Fuel, its petrol if that matters. if my workings are correct then it will take at maybe 16 gallon of fuel at 5nmpg, so not much in the 65g tank, thats is being generous on consumption. as at cruising speed of 20 it does i believe around 12nmpg.

Can't advise on the trip, but the fuel consumption figures don't sound right to me

 

[waynes world]

Can't advise on the trip, but the fuel connector figures don't sound right to ne

so please help then, cant take advice from that.

 

[Plum]

Well a very much newbie. so please bear with here as its just an idea for adventure and not going to go at it full steam ahead with no thought, my wife loves me so i best stay around a bit longer

Having got my boat being a Fairline Fury running twin inboard AQ115 and running sweet, it will be fully tested by myself and hopefully a much more experienced person ( i have a chap to ask ) over the winter as it will be moored near Glasson Dock for sea trials as and when good to do so.

So if i can get experience and RYA courses done before March/April next year it would be one hell of an adventure to cruise down from Glasson Dock to the Menai Straits, plan would be to stop at Liverpool Docks which is half way being a full journey of 80nm, roughly from the online Nav i am using. And leave the boat there for good weather for next half of the trip.

As said all will be done with experience if i can gain it in the next 5- 6 months with professional help and advice.

Overall its a 80nm trip with the first half being 40nm to Liverpool. I see if any problems there are a few safe havens as in Fleetwood, up the Ribble to Rufford down River Douglas, then Rhyl etc.

I am i wanting to much wit not enough expereience, if i can gain it ?

I am just seeing it as an as adventure to towing it down to the new mooring on the Straits.

Oh and on Fuel, its petrol if that matters. if my workings are correct then it will take at maybe 16 gallon of fuel at 5nmpg, so not much in the 65g tank, thats is being generous on consumption. as at cruising speed of 20 it does i believe around 12nmpg.

Sounds like a great adventure and good idea to do the RYA courses before you go. To ensure confidence in your fuel consumption I would start with a full tank, motor out for, say, 12 nM at 20knots, turn round and motor back, then carefully measure how much fuel you have used. Repeat at, say 10knots. Also, can you buy Petrol in Liverpool Docks, or any of the other ports you may enter?

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

 

[rib]

Hi.. Fuel figures seem out... Best way in the time before.. Fill her to the brim. Got out for a hour at a set speed / revs.. Come back fill her up agsin do the sums.. Then go out again faster or slower.. And fill again and do sums.. This will give you a actual rough figure.. Tides. Sea states. Wind. Clean bottom. And how heavy the boat is loaded will all give a different figures.. And try and leave a 20% fuel reserve on any journey

 

[ProDave]

Sounds like a great adventure and good idea to do the RYA courses before you go. To ensure confidence in your fuel consumption I would start with a full tank, motor out for, say, 12 nM at 20knots, turn round and motor back, then carefully measure how much fuel you have used. Also, can you buy Petrol in Liverpool Docks, or any of the other ports you may enter?

www.solocoastalsailing.co.uk

But to do that from Glasson, you have to leave on the tide, and you can't get back in until the very narrow window on the next tide. You will spend a lot of that tide at anchor somewhere, and you only have a narrow window for return. This is not a beginners port. I would advise you really need someone that knows Glasson for that first voyage to accompany you.

 

[colhel]

so please help then, cant take advice from that.

I was hoping somebody else would confirm my concerns . Bug I'd say at 20 knots, and this is a guess, plan for 4 nmpg.

 

[dankilb]

Also, can you buy Petrol in Liverpool Docks

No petrol from fuel pontoon, but there’s a BP across the road. Again, far from ideal!

 

[waynes world]

Hi.. Fuel figures seem out... Best way in the time before.. Fill her to the brim. Got out for a hour at a set speed / revs.. Come back fill her up agsin do the sums.. Then go out again faster or slower.. And fill again and do sums.. This will give you a actual rough figure.. Tides. Sea states. Wind. Clean bottom. And how heavy the boat is loaded will all give a different figures.. And try and leave a 20% fuel reserve on any journey

I checked with a cap and he has same boat and set up. He does 2 1/2 gallons an hour at 10 knots . so £200 will do it, around 28g,

 

[Davy_S]

On your first venture you could nip across to Piel island and put your hook down, if you were not happy you could either go back to Glasson or go into Fleetwood, personally i would go straight from Piel or Fleetwood straight down to Conway and give Liverpool a miss, if you go to Piel you are not stuck waiting for high water, there is some serious tide run in the bay.

 

[waynes world]

On your first venture you could nip across to Piel island and put your hook down, if you were not happy you could either go back to Glasson or go into Fleetwood, personally i would go straight from Piel or Fleetwood straight down to Conway and give Liverpool a miss, if you go to Piel you are not stuck waiting for high water, there is some serious tide run in the bay.

like that idea for trials out to get the feel etc. I am just looking for info on tide time etc for venturing out for a couple of hours from Glasson for trials out. I looked into the RYA courses and now i dont think i am going to have time to get them done. they want so many hrs at sea before taking the course.

 

[waynes world]

I am using this nav system for now, anybody use it, or is it useless ?

OpenSeaMap - The free nautical chart

 

[Davy_S]

You could have a play checking out your routes using this, put your speed, draught and fuel consumption in first, then use the route planner, piel to conway is around 60 nm.
Navionics ChartViewer

 

[waynes world]

You could have a play checking out your routes using this, put your speed, draught and fuel consumption in first, then use the route planner, piel to conway is around 60 nm.
Navionics ChartViewer

Brilliant that one, a lot better. Thanks. I need yet to work out ways to navigate, folk have been saying use Apps on my phone to connect to a tablet, that sounds.....not exactly good for some reason but i am not up to date at all with these gadgets.

So much to learn now. at last a bit of an adventure on boating and learning to boat, properly.

 

[ProDave]

like that idea for trials out to get the feel etc. I am just looking for info on tide time etc for venturing out for a couple of hours from Glasson for trials out. I looked into the RYA courses and now i dont think i am going to have time to get them done. they want so many hrs at sea before taking the course.

Unless I am really miss understanding it (someone please correct me if I am) the gate at Glasson dock is open less than an hour. It opens just before HW and closes at high water.

So you can leave at high water and and go out on the ebb, or you time it accurately and come in on the flood.

You cannot "go out for a couple of hours" It's one high tide to the next. then it begs the question do they open every high tide, even if it's dark, if not you have to choose your day when there is a high tide early and another late in the "day"

Please someone correct me if I have this wrong. but if I don't Glasson is a very restrictive place to keep a boat.

 

[waynes world]

Unless I am really miss understanding it (someone please correct me if I am) the gate at Glasson dock is open less than an hour. It opens just before HW and closes at high water.

So you can leave at high water and and go out on the ebb, or you time it accurately and come in on the flood.

You cannot "go out for a couple of hours" It's one high tide to the next. then it begs the question do they open every high tide, even if it's dark, if not you have to choose your day when there is a high tide early and another late in the "day"

Please someone correct me if I have this wrong. but if I don't Glasson is a very restrictive place to keep a boat.

I agree, after research it is a terrible place for getting out and back, i read less than an hour and gates closed at HT.

Its a no goer this from Glasson f or me when i am getting my feet wet with this sea fairing lark.
Fleetwood is no better either, and that would mean trailering it there.

So change of plan. i will drop it on the Lancaster and keep it there for winter while doing bits and chilling and the odd cruise. Then in March take to the mooring, well i sort one on the Straits.

Ah well always things to peee on my plans.

Thanks for your time folks