First boat recommendatioin

[madein]

Hi there,

I'm new to this forum and boating generally.

I have tried to use search button to find something similar as this topic, but no luck, sorry if this is doubled post somewhere.

I would like to ask about for the first boat recommendation.

I'm thinking to use Essex Marina for mooring and take her occasionally to sea around the coast, for day/overnight trip and use it for some water sport activity as skiing or ringo.

The badged is around £25000-30000 top.

I have been looking at Sealine S23 with diesel engine with 170hp or Jeanneau Leader 805 with 230hp

Can you please advice?

Thanks a lot

 

[landlockedpirate]

Welcome to the forum.

As good as the S23 is, its not ideal for watersports. Its just not got enough power for anything but low powered things, a lightweight skier or wakeboarder will be its limit.

The forum generally loves oil burners, but for watersports and smaller mileage a nice petrol V8 is the way to go. Lots of choice on the market for 25ft ish sportscruisers. Just stick your requirements into the for sale sites and lots of options will pop up.

 

[madein]

thanks Mark,

Is what I was afraid.

I will try to see something different. But generally 5.7 engine? Would that be enough?

 

[landlockedpirate]

For water sports a 5.7 in a 24-25ft will be fine, but still wont deep water start a heavy or inexperienced mono skier. I had a a 5.7Gsi in a 26ft sportscruiser, did about 37kts but acceleration wasn't anything to write home about.

 

[madein]

Time to loose weight or let them jump of the boat with the ski on

 

[Whitelighter]

Out of those two Id go for the leader. Slightly bigger boat but the kad43 will offer more grunt and you could toy a skier behind it.

However if look hard at other things. This looks like a good deal to me:

http://www.essexboatyards.com/boats-for-sale/cranchi-27csl-1056

Ok, so it's slightky above your budget but I reckon you stand a chance for getting it at £30k. 260hp D4 diesel will be frugal and punchy. Plus it's a 2006 boat so a safer bet as a first toy.

 

[alt]

Having had experience with both, the leader wins. Better boat.

It will be less spec, but you can rectify this (heating, proper power panel etc.)

 

[landlockedpirate]

Great find by Whitelighter, D4 is better engine than the KAD32,with more power and a much better power to weight ratio and in that Cranchi it looks a bargain.

 

[madein]

Thank you guys for your ideas, I'm so happy for all those advices, as stepping in to boating it is really appreciated.

But I'm afraid, I will need to lower the budget now, there was three of us with the shared ownership idea, but it looks like it would be only two now.

So the badged would be between 15-20 top.

I have now start looking at bit older boats with the minimum of 5.7 engine.

I found this:

http://www.solentmotoryachts.co.uk/boat/smy1_1078/Wellcraft-2400-Martinique

but she is under offer now and I'm afraid also for this to be bit old?

or

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Searay-Sundancer-/181567445716?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123

With your experience, what would you recommend in the new low budget? As mentioned in the first topic, it would be for day/weekend trip and for some water sport activity.

Thanks again

 

[Whitelighter]

This would be a good choice

http://www.essexboatyards.com/boats-for-sale/bayliner-2655-ciera-1030

 

[madein]

Thanks

I have been looking at that as well, but in the description it says for inland water?

So how does it work now? I will go and see her and if I'm happy I will make and offer?
If I want some water trial, who is usually paying for the fuel cost? The owner or the buyer?

 

[landlockedpirate]

Both the Searay you found and the Bayliner in Essex look like decent buys (as long as the description is accurate).

If you like one, make an offer subject to survey. Because of your inexperience and the shared ownership I would suggest a hull and engine survey. A sea trial is usually fully at the buyers expense, but with a boat its to confirm condition and performance ( unlike a car test drive which is to see if you actually like it). Do a search on the forum for the full details of the offer/buying process, loads of info already on here.

Another couple that may be worth considering (no connection, just looked at the sale sites)

http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/advert/rinker-242-fiesta-vee-swansea/40023003

http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/advert/fletcher-25-gts-poole/42028204

http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/advert/regal-242-jaykay-sales-display/42011600

http://http://www.boatshop24.co.uk/advert/maxum-2500-scr-chichester/41907170

I know a couple of them are only 5.0L, but they are also Efi.

 

[madein]

Mark,

thanks, the last link doesn't work, but they are good choices.

Lot's of things now to think about.

Will try to find the info about buying...., just not to mess here.

Thanks

 

[Whitelighter]

Thanks

I have been looking at that as well, but in the description it says for inland water?

So how does it work now? I will go and see her and if I'm happy I will make and offer?
If I want some water trial, who is usually paying for the fuel cost? The owner or the buyer?

Where does it as inland water (assuming you are talking about the Essex boat)?

Generally you go look at the boat to see if you like it. If you do, you make an offer subject to sea trial and survey.

Then you have a survey done. If the survey is clean then you would launch the boat and conduct a sea trial. The cost of the little in and sea trial is usually down to the purchaser, though this can be a point of negotiation.

Note the sea trial is at the end. It's not like buying a car, you don't get a sea trial to see if you like it. It's to see if all the mechanicals are working and the boat achieve the correct speed, is balanced etc.

 

[madein]

Where does it as inland water (assuming you are talking about the Essex boat)?

An ideal cruiser for use on the inland waters


Description
1996 Bayliner 2655. Fitted with a Mercruiser 5.7L Petrol engine Specification includes; Speed, Depth Gauge, Anchor, Intergrated platform with Boarding Ladder, Transom Shower, Microwave, Hot and Cold Water, Manual Heads with Holding Tank, Fridge, Stereo, Cockpit Canopy. An ideal cruiser for use on the inland waters For more information on this 1996 Bayliner 2655 please call Essex Boatyards Ltd on 01702258885.

Generally you go look at the boat to see if you like it. If you do, you make an offer subject to sea trial and survey.

Then you have a survey done. If the survey is clean then you would launch the boat and conduct a sea trial. The cost of the little in and sea trial is usually down to the purchaser, though this can be a point of negotiation.

Note the sea trial is at the end. It's not like buying a car, you don't get a sea trial to see if you like it. It's to see if all the mechanicals are working and the boat achieve the correct speed, is balanced etc.

that make perfect sense, thank you for the information.

Do you have an idea, how much could the survey cost?
Is it probably always better to do your own rather than if for example someone has one year old report?

If the boat is in the water and it needs to be taken out, usualy the marina is charging for lifting, this would be again probably on my own cost?

 

[Whitelighter]

Missed that.

Very odd but the Bayliner 2665 is more than capable on the coast. It's a planing hill happy at speeds over 20knts so not really suited to inland waters at all.

A structural pre purchase survey is going to cost you somewhere in the region of £500, with mechanical oil analysis around another £200-£300. I would always do my own as a) stuff can change in a year and b) you don't know who commissioned the previous survey - if it was the vendor then it's in their interest to make it look good.

Lifts are at your cost too, though Essex boatyards own the boat yard as well so they will probably do the lis at cost. You don't have to commit all this money up front.

Do the survey first, then if that passes you can do the mechanical and sea trial. All this is don ratter you have agreed a price. If the survey or senatorial turns up anything expensive or that needs rectifying then you can re-enter negotiations to either get the items fixed or an agreed sum taken off the agreed price.

 

[Kawasaki]

madien Take a look at the Nimbus brand

 

[Whitelighter]

madien Take a look at the Nimbus brand

Kwackers, I know you love your nimbus, but look at the brief. Hardly appropriate is it? The guy wants to tow toys and skiers and have a bit of fun. Your going to struggle to get any nimbus for 20k, and if you do it's going to be a small low power plodder.

This always happens on these threads - sooner or later the 'buy my boat brand' brigade turn up and recommend what they have without any regard for what the op actually says he's looking for. It just usually isn't you.

Ogaryo will be along in a minute recommending an S28...

 

[Kawasaki]

Kwackers, I know you love your nimbus, but look at the brief. Hardly appropriate is it? The guy wants to tow toys and skiers and have a bit of fun. Your going to struggle to get any nimbus for 20k, and if you do it's going to be a small low power plodder.

This always happens on these threads - sooner or later the 'buy my boat brand' brigade turn up and recommend what they have without any regard for what the op actually says he's looking for. It just usually isn't you.

Ogaryo will be along in a minute recommending an S28...

Jezz, bleedin eck I posted on the wrong thread, I was thinking about the Chap who is struggling to find a mooring by the seaside and is half way up a river on the East Coast!!!
:sleeping:
By the way my old Nimbus is long gone to a new owner
As you say that type of vessel will not suit the OP!!!
Doh!

 

[bush boat]

Just go about 5 foot longer than you think you want and then you won't be changing it in 12 months!