Fire at East Cowes Marina

DAKA said:
I deleted my post as I decided it wasnt my fight but seeing as you have dragged me back in...............

In my opinion this thread is as ugly as barleycorn thinks Nordhavens are, several posters have attacked a relative newbie.

I thought the forum was moderated to control personal attacks.

It takes less time to delete a post than it takes to write one, come on guys, are you really happy with your contributions ?
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I am Pete, yes. On balance, I think the responses were just tbh. The guy should really think before he posts. He's been insensitive to say the least and I think he knew that when he typed it so, in fairness, if anyone should retract, it should be Barleycorn. Ok, he doesn't like the style of boat but c'mon....a piece of easily replaced 'jelly mould'?? A lot of hard earned money and no doubt his dream boat has gone up in smoke there. Some compassion for the owner is needed, not throw away, deliberately inflammatory comments.
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Looks like the harbourmaster's RIB. Yellow colour almost makes it look to be on fire itself!

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lisilou said:
A lot of hard earned money and no doubt his dream boat has gone up in smoke there.
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Lets hope seeing as it was for sale he had at least managed to remove the items of sentimental value.

Further hope he had advised his insurers it was for sale .
 
Some Insurance companies are asking this question .
Some Insurance companies decline to quote when they know property is for sale (unwanted).
Under duty of disclosure regardless of being asked you should advise your insurers that your boat is for sale.

There aren't many boat fires however the incidence of boat fires may be higher for boats that are for sale
so it becomes a material fact, I expect some insurers dont want to go to a lot of trouble to issue a policy
on something that may be sold in a month.
 
DAKA said:
Some Insurance companies are asking this question .
Some Insurance companies decline to quote when they know property is for sale (unwanted).
Under duty of disclosure regardless of being asked you should advise your insurers that your boat is for sale.

There aren't many boat fires however the incidence of boat fires may be higher for boats that are for sale
so it becomes a material fact, I expect some insurers dont want to go to a lot of trouble to issue a policy
on something that may be sold in a month.
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So you are saying "That on renewal" that is a material change.
What happens if put on the market after renewal would you still be expected to disclose that fact.
Some craft are permanently for sale, even when just purchased.
 
sailorman said:
So you are saying "That on renewal" that is a material change.
What happens if put on the market after renewal would you still be expected to disclose that fact.
Some craft are permanently for sale, even when just purchased.
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I'm not an underwriter, (used to be ) in my opinion its a material fact and yes it should be disclosed to the underwriters ,
it cant do any harm can it , either they will ignore it or advise you how to proceed but better to sort it now,
and not wait until after the fire / sinking .

For what it is worth I would treat a boat for sale with suspicion and would ask extra questions.
I would be especially cautious of boats with Osmosis or engine reliability problems .
A credit check on the owner would be called for in these circumstances.
Perhaps a link to the sales add to view photos to see if its a tatty wreck.

If you have owned a boat for 3 +years
and put it up for sale recently because you want a bigger boat you have nothing to worry about.
 
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" For what it is worth I would treat a boat for sale with suspicion and would ask extra questions.
I would be especially cautious of boats with Osmosis or engine reliability problems .
A credit check on the owner would be called for in these circumstances.
Perhaps a link to the sales add to view photos to see if its a tatty wreck.

If you have owned a boat for 3 +years
and put it up for sale recently because you want a bigger boat you have nothing to worry about.[/QUOTE]"

I would accept that argument only if they had done thosee very same checks on me and my boat before taking my money.
 
Just seen this, simply shocking and sad to see, a boat I used to admire on my way past every time. I hope no other boats were damaged.

Is it me, but seeing some of the video and pictures, the firemen in the marina just seem to be quite causal, one sitting down and others just slowly walking around. I would of thought the biggest fear would have been the diesel tanks exploding at high temperature/ignition point.
 
Scubadoo said:
Just seen this, simply shocking and sad to see, a boat I used to admire on my way past every time. I hope no other boats were damaged.

Is it me, but seeing some of the video and pictures, the firemen in the marina just seem to be quite causal, one sitting down and others just slowly walking around. I would of thought the biggest fear would have be the diesel tanks exploding at high temperature/ignition point.
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Limited number of people can get onto a hammerhead? Waiting to relieve those already on HH? Dossing about?
 
Greg2 said:
Seems a strange place for a fire to get hold i.e. It seems to be the upper fly area
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On a number of Nordhavns including the N76 I think, there is a skippers cabin behind the pilot house. The report suggests that there was a skipper on board at the time. I would guess that the insurance co will be asking some pretty searching questions as to what the skipper was up to before the fire started. Could be as simple as a cigarette butt in a wastepaper bin?
Big shame about this boat. If this is the same N76 as Nordhavn exhibited at their Open Days in 2011, it was a stunner
 
I've been on this boat a couple of times discussing various bits of kit. This isn't the owners first boat and the skipper lives onboard.

Just spoken with the skipper and he is well, though some what shaken up. Though was very relieved that the no one was harmed.

Poor owner and more sympathies for the skipper! Imagine being on-board when this kicks off?
 
DAKA said:
I'm not an underwriter, (used to be ) in my opinion its a material fact and yes it should be disclosed to the underwriters ,
it cant do any harm can it , either they will ignore it or advise you how to proceed but better to sort it now,
and not wait until after the fire / sinking .

For what it is worth I would treat a boat for sale with suspicion and would ask extra questions.
I would be especially cautious of boats with Osmosis or engine reliability problems .
A credit check on the owner would be called for in these circumstances.
Perhaps a link to the sales add to view photos to see if its a tatty wreck.

If you have owned a boat for 3 +years
and put it up for sale recently because you want a bigger boat you have nothing to worry about.
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Boat was only 1.5 years old. Eek!
 
DAKA said:
Lets hope seeing as it was for sale he had at least managed to remove the items of sentimental value.

Further hope he had advised his insurers it was for sale .
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Hmm, you will of course deny it, but your inference is cynical, to say the least.

And in almost 30 years of boat ownership I have NEVER been asked by my insurers whether my boat is for sale. And it would never occur to me to inform them of the fact if it was.

And as for your earlier post in response to the person who dismissed this Nordhavn as a tupperware blob and bling, I believe his post was insensitive and inappropriate as this boat was still ablaze. Do you think he would be so brave as to pass on his thoughts face to face with the owner, if ever they were to meet? It's too easy to be unpleasant hidden behind a keyboard, my personal yardstick is not to post something I wouldn't be prepared to say to someone in person.

I just hope that neither the owner or the skipper do not happen across either this thread or that on Scuttlebutt.
 
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