Fastest yet

[Guest]

Re: Barracuda ....

It was sad set of story's for a boat that set the pace and style .... despite its reputation and faults - I still think it a nice looking boat, and certainly the adrenaline puncher it was designed to be.

I always wondered whether some extra rovings like a cats cradle would sort out its flexibility ?? Westerly and others went for this and it worked - as long as the bonding is good - not like some that the cats cradle insert started breaking away leaving a really flexible hull and chainplates hanging on to iterally nothing !!!! Another story and NOT Barracuda's !!!!

Oh bring back Howards Way !!

Thinking about that program ....... I used to fly model airplanes and my club was approached unofficially by the Beeb to stop flying certain nights near Hamble - as they had difficulty filtering out the model planes sound from their filming at Jolly Sailor etc. for Howards Way series ........ !! I took my silencer OFF then ................ !!


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[qsiv]

Re: Todays bureaucratic killjoys....

That will be the one - 12 feet long 6' beam empty shell weight 40lbs. Foredeck made from 2 mm modeling ply, 6 foot dagger board (THAT made for interesting handling downwind), fully battened, loose footed sails. All very tame compared to the latest breed mind you!

Boat was so fragile it was a real challenge to keep the fittings from coming adrift. I used to helm from the trapeze going upwind - you got a much better perception of trim from the wire, and the crew had very little space to manouevre under the kicker when tacking. Spi poles were unlimited ours was longer than the boom...

After that the Contender seemed rather tame.

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[1114C]

Was not me I am afraid - unbelievably I did not even know it existed until I just did a search on the web to find out where it was - I live less than 15 miles from it as well!

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[Aja]

Has only been 'Sandpoint Marina' for about 10 years or so. For the previous 100 it used to be known as 'McAllisters'

Its great for me. I live in Dumbarton - so I can 'escape' to the boat for a couple of hours each weekend if I want.

Donald



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[1114C]

I'm in the west end of the cityand getting bored (after only one season) of the drive down to Kip (I realise of course that some people would love their boat to be only 40 minutes away) although I do like the fact that as you leave the marina you are close to a lot

Will look into Sandpoint to see what it offers - thanks for informing me of it!

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[Aja]

Tom

I only keep the boat in the yard there during the winter - the rest of the year is at Kames. Although Sandpoint does have pontoons, you are a fair bit up-river before you even get anywhere - at least an hours motoring before you get to the 'Tail of the Bank'/Rhu.

We were based at Rhu up to last season but became really fed up with the long haul needed to get anywhere interesting. e.g. 1.5 hours just to get to Kip!

Donald

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[MainlySteam]

Re: Todays bureaucratic killjoys....

If you are still interested in them have you seen <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/idx-chistory.php>http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/idx-chistory.php</A> ?

My, somewhat limited, experience sailing the class was late sixties before the design rules were relaxed.

In the short write up on John Spencer there is a little bit about his big plywood race boats (most successfully Infidel and Buccaneer) and his influences on a then young Ron Holland and Bruce Farr (Spencer was about mid 30's when Farr was 15 and had just started winning dinghy races in his own designs, which I being the same age as Farr, recall well) - Russell Bowler is mentioned too as a Cherub championship winner. And from there the big story began, leading to threads like this one where sailors can relate sailing maintaining much faster than displacement speed in big keelboats.

Sorry about the thread drift, but perhaps not to far off as the story of Bruce Farr and Russell Bowler is called "The Shape of Speed".

Regards

John

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[1114C]

Yes have just seen where it is - not good for Summer! We are in Kip this winter but may look for elsewhere for next year- I really liked Rhu when we were first looking for somewhere to keep her but like you could not face the same journey every time. Have no complaints about Kip although you do pay for it!!!



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[Aja]

I also think that the facilities at Kip are far superior than that of Rhu.

Am taking Rebel to Kip this weekend (as a visitor - not part of the Show) so if your passing, give me a shout.

Regards

Donald

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[qsiv]

Re: Todays bureaucratic killjoys....

Thanks!

Mine was a UK Forman - the piece about sailing with FD's rings so true. I crewed an FD out of Hamble on an occasional basis at the time I owned the Cherub. The piece is wonderfully evocative of both boats.

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[billmacfarlane]

Re: Barracuda ....

Yeah YM did an article on it years ago written by Bob Fisher the original owner and creator of the boat. If my memory serves me right, which is doubtful, he came up with the idea of Howard's Way so he get the boat built. Or was it t'other way round?

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[doris]

18.1kts in a Mount Gay (Whitbread) 30 in the West Solent on a JOG race. Fractional asymetric kite, one reef and full water ballast on one side. 35-40 kts up our chuff (so other boats told us later, we were too busy to look) then just short of Yarmouth we wiped out just as it was getting dark. Exciting ride but not bad for a 30 footer!!

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[TheBoatman]

This is true

Going from Ramsgate to Dover in N.E 6-7. South going tide in a Gibsea 96.
Decided to put the cruising chute up to "pull" us along so that we didn't slop to much. Av 9+ knts
On nearing Dover called port control.
Dover PC this is Gigi on ch 74
DPC: Gigi this is PC
G: PC permmission to enter eastern entrance.
DPC:Sir, are you the boat flying a red/green spinaker approx. 1 nm off to the north
G: yes sir thats me.
DPC: can you actually stop sir.
G: well errr, No, not easily
DPC: well in that case you had better come in then.

I then overheard

"Pride of Dover this is PC can you wait 5 mins as we have an out of control yacht approaching the entrance and if he actually makes it through the gap he will need to round up under your bow",
"Roger understood, we will watch with bated breath"

Cheeky swine I thought. Whos out of control, just can't stop very easily.

We shot through the gap, rounded up, snuffed the chute and put the engine in gear and was gently motoring into wind whilst we tried to get the main down when I here
"Gigi this is Pride of Dover"
Yes sir what can I do for you
Could you please do that somewhere else as we have a full load here waiting to go to Calias.
Err, sorry sir will move
In your own time Gigi, Pride of Dover OUT.

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[Aeolus_IV]

Re: Todays bureaucratic killjoys....

Ahh - a Contender. My personal favourit, but I can see that stepping out of a Chrub into one would seem like a "step back" from the edge. Still a very good dinghy which I learnt a hugh amount on having stepped up to one from a Comet (a baby version of Lazer). I remember sailing of Eastbourne, down wind and waves, trapezeing off the stern of the boat and watching the forestay visibly sagging a number of inches as the boat accelerated in the gusts. Very, very windy - was mad to be there.

Jeff.

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[StephenSails]

Re: You\'re nicked, sunshine.

8 knots and it only applies to stinkys!

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[Peppermint]

Re: Quick Hook

Out of Woolverston. Although I see she's for sale in Hamble Point.

We just found ourselves in the wrong boat, in the wrong weather going in the wrong direction. 37 hours Scheveningen to Woolverston Oh dear.

The water was everywhere. Some of it's more amusing manifestations were...

If you hit a wave hard bilge water went forwards and then flew up through the finger holes in the cabinsole and hit the deckhead.

If you filled the cockpit with water, which we did several times, the aftcabin portlights jetted like fire sprinklers.

Water stood on the shelf behind the starboard settee berh and waves ran up and down like a 1960's table lamp.

The circuit breakers where popping like breakfast cereal and the upholstery was fit to grow rice on.

The outward passage was quite nice though. we averaged 9 knots.

When we got home the Decca was US as was the GPS, the VHF, the wind instruments, the navlights and the headsail furler. We'd not done the headsail anygood either.

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[Peppermint]

Re: Effortless speed

Westerly Typhoon plus Corryvreckan.

On a recent trip to Scotland we enjoyed a kind of Jason and the Argonauts trip east to west through the legendary gulf.

We maintained a speed through the water of 5 knots SOG went over 14 knots.

We were about an hour after the ideal time for the passage and it was just starting to get moody over by the rock. A very atmospheric place.

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[brianhumber]

Re: Quick Hook

Not mine then - Sounds as if Quick Hook needed the same attention to leaks as I have given mine over the years.
You have to sail her well reefed and not more than 15/20 degrees heel to get any sort of progress to windward, spent a couple of years wondering why the leeway was up to 20+ degrees to windward till this penny dropped and I started using the deep 3rd reefed mainsail.
I agree any water in the very shallow bilge is not good news. On long rainy passages even the drips from oilskins will come up through the floorboards by the end of the trip- still the sum total of all the bilge is not much more than a couple of buckets so you soon know if any leaks start.
Once took a big greeny over the bow at over 12kts going down channel with more sail up than was prudent - filled the cockpit right up to chest height on one of the smaller crew, had the washboards clipped in thank god and at that speed it had all been ejected through those big drains in couple of minutes. All dry down below as all my hatchs and vents are water tight.


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[penfold]

Fastest I've been was surfing towards Port Said on a broad reach; we were averaging 14 knots with a peak of 17.5 in a particularly big gust. Wind strength was 5-6 with gusts up to 8. The boat was a Foutaine Pajot Belize 43 catamaran; we were enroute delivering to the Seychelles.

cheers,
david

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[Robin]

Today off Poole Bar! 16.7kts for sure and log is averaged over 5 secs, but we THOUGHT we saw 19.5 momentarily as the figures were dropping like a speedometer in a radar trap, first priority being steering rather than instrument watching. Wind hit about 34kts from the east and we only had a storm jib size of genoa at that stage (no main) having only seconds before rolled a lot more away ready to turn up into the Swash channel. The speed though came not from the wind but the seemingly vertical wave we surfed down, finally burying the bow in the bottom of the hole followed by a cockpit full of very cold water over the stern. only 15 mins before we had been enjoying lunch and the fast dry ride, we didn't have wet weather gear on either so SWMBO was not best pleased. The tide was west going outside of the Swash channel but still (just) flooding inside the Swash going into Poole. I imagine the seas off the Bar got a lot worse fairly soon afterwards as the ebb started into the wind.

Boat is a Jeaneau Sun Legende 41.

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