Gunfleet
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24ft according to the RYA
Fast track Yachtmaster
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Cobra25
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Hands up those with a Yachtmaster qualification or other exam based qualification.
jimi
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Becareful not to confuse YM practical with YM theory. I've got both though.
Birdseye
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The word from the RYA:
RYA Web site
That's it then, any "old salts" like to comment?
Ian
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The word from the RYA:
RYA Web site
That's it then, any "old salts" like to comment?
Ian
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Re: Typically British
Here we are holding a successful British export story so we try to tear it apart. If we were German we would analyze the detail and make the next YM syllabus revision just a little better.
Some sensible comments have been made among all this fast-track hot air. It seems people can successfully complete their fast track YM without developing a natural feel for how a boat sails. I also think the proprietors of fast track sea schools should have sufficient confidence in their students to allow an unsupervised crew of 3 students to hop over to Cherbourg for without an instructor onboard.
Perhaps the minimum requirement for fast track students needs to be raised to include a week of mandatory single handed dinghy sailing in a design with 2 sails, plus a 60 mile unsupervised offshore passage just before the exam.
Here we are holding a successful British export story so we try to tear it apart. If we were German we would analyze the detail and make the next YM syllabus revision just a little better.
Some sensible comments have been made among all this fast-track hot air. It seems people can successfully complete their fast track YM without developing a natural feel for how a boat sails. I also think the proprietors of fast track sea schools should have sufficient confidence in their students to allow an unsupervised crew of 3 students to hop over to Cherbourg for without an instructor onboard.
Perhaps the minimum requirement for fast track students needs to be raised to include a week of mandatory single handed dinghy sailing in a design with 2 sails, plus a 60 mile unsupervised offshore passage just before the exam.
peterb
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YM theory
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Be careful not to confuse YM practical with YM theory.
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It always annoys me that the RYA refer to their shorebased course as "Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster". There is only one way to get a Yachtmaster qualification; by practical examination, on a boat, at sea. Competent Crew is by a practical course (there is no longer a shorebased course). Day Skipper and Coastal Skipper both have shorebased and practical courses, though to get a Certificate of Competence for CS you have to undergo a practical exam. If the RYA stopped referring to their shorebased course as a Yachtmaster course, then we wouldn't get the stupidity of the man who told me that he was a Yachtmaster when, in fact, he had never in his life sailed a boat!
Oh, yes. I'm a Yachtmaster (qualified to instruct sail and commercially endorsed).
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Be careful not to confuse YM practical with YM theory.
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It always annoys me that the RYA refer to their shorebased course as "Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster". There is only one way to get a Yachtmaster qualification; by practical examination, on a boat, at sea. Competent Crew is by a practical course (there is no longer a shorebased course). Day Skipper and Coastal Skipper both have shorebased and practical courses, though to get a Certificate of Competence for CS you have to undergo a practical exam. If the RYA stopped referring to their shorebased course as a Yachtmaster course, then we wouldn't get the stupidity of the man who told me that he was a Yachtmaster when, in fact, he had never in his life sailed a boat!
Oh, yes. I'm a Yachtmaster (qualified to instruct sail and commercially endorsed).
tcm
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Re: Yachtmaster musings
um, i'm ym and whilst of course all exams could be made more rigourous, i thought it was fine as a starting point.
My own idea to encourage most people onto some form of boating instruction was to rename all the DS, CS and YM courses "yachtmaster" but use the Class 3 , 2, 1 in the the same way as the HGV qualifications do - and which also incidentally offer fastrak. Thus a mere skipper would be a Yachtmaster Class 3 if he completed the failry unarduaous (current) Dayskipper course, and surrent YM qualification would be Class 1.
Mine's a double breakfast, tea and four sugars, ta.
um, i'm ym and whilst of course all exams could be made more rigourous, i thought it was fine as a starting point.
My own idea to encourage most people onto some form of boating instruction was to rename all the DS, CS and YM courses "yachtmaster" but use the Class 3 , 2, 1 in the the same way as the HGV qualifications do - and which also incidentally offer fastrak. Thus a mere skipper would be a Yachtmaster Class 3 if he completed the failry unarduaous (current) Dayskipper course, and surrent YM qualification would be Class 1.
Mine's a double breakfast, tea and four sugars, ta.
Kristal
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Common sense...
...ought to be a preqrequisite. I'm not anything (not even CC), but I have seen things done aboard boats, by skippers qualified in a becalmed classroom, that I would not believe if I had read it in "The Confessional". One, in fact, resulted in serious injury. Presumably it isn't written on the blackboard that, your crew having failed to pick up the buoy at the bow, you shouldn't leave the helm, grab it as it passes amidships, and then attempt to hold five tons of boat against the tide with your bare hands...
Your suggestion makes a lot of sense to me - I've never really liked the term "Day Skipper" anyway, as I'm not convinced anyone holding that certificate is necessarily qualified to handle a 'day' that suddenly blows up an unforecast gale which could holds them up well after nightfall...
...ought to be a preqrequisite. I'm not anything (not even CC), but I have seen things done aboard boats, by skippers qualified in a becalmed classroom, that I would not believe if I had read it in "The Confessional". One, in fact, resulted in serious injury. Presumably it isn't written on the blackboard that, your crew having failed to pick up the buoy at the bow, you shouldn't leave the helm, grab it as it passes amidships, and then attempt to hold five tons of boat against the tide with your bare hands...
Your suggestion makes a lot of sense to me - I've never really liked the term "Day Skipper" anyway, as I'm not convinced anyone holding that certificate is necessarily qualified to handle a 'day' that suddenly blows up an unforecast gale which could holds them up well after nightfall...
iangrant
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No it wasn't a meant as a troll, I found the RYA statement and thought it "answered" some of the questions raised in the past on here.
BTW I am a Yachtmaster, it was hard work to achieve, as any YM will tell you.
Now then where is that blue flag with gold lettering?
Ian
BTW I am a Yachtmaster, it was hard work to achieve, as any YM will tell you.
Now then where is that blue flag with gold lettering?
Ian
tcm
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Re: Common sense...
it certainly sounds as though a dayskipper must perhaps relinquish authority to mummy and daddy at night time. Much better to have no quals at all and be a "skipper". CS ain't much better, as though cautious of the deeper bits - in fact of course they should cancel the term costal skipper cos most anyone can skipper in the open sea, the awkwards stuff usually happens in the coastal areas and not v-v.
it certainly sounds as though a dayskipper must perhaps relinquish authority to mummy and daddy at night time. Much better to have no quals at all and be a "skipper". CS ain't much better, as though cautious of the deeper bits - in fact of course they should cancel the term costal skipper cos most anyone can skipper in the open sea, the awkwards stuff usually happens in the coastal areas and not v-v.
Mirelle
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Looks all right to me.
Birdseye
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Re: YM theory
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Be careful not to confuse YM practical with YM theory.
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It always annoys me that the RYA refer to their shorebased course as "Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster". There is only one way to get a Yachtmaster qualification; by practical examination, on a boat, at sea. Competent Crew is by a practical course (there is no longer a shorebased course). Day Skipper and Coastal Skipper both have shorebased and practical courses, though to get a Certificate of Competence for CS you have to undergo a practical exam. If the RYA stopped referring to their shorebased course as a Yachtmaster course, then we wouldn't get the stupidity of the man who told me that he was a Yachtmaster when, in fact, he had never in his life sailed a boat!
Oh, yes. I'm a Yachtmaster (qualified to instruct sail and commercially endorsed).
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You're being unfair to the RYA on this one. They take great care to make it clear that the shorebased courses are not the "ticket" courses, and that what you get isa course completion certificate. On my shorebased courses its one thing I tell them at enrolment. Nevertheless, some people chose to misunderstand /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Mind you, I dont think that students should be allowed just to do the practical either. There is no way that a 5 day DS pracxtical course can cover all the practical issues as well as the 48 hours of theory instruction required for the shorebased. So just like the current bike test, I think it should be theory and practical at all levels.
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Be careful not to confuse YM practical with YM theory.
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It always annoys me that the RYA refer to their shorebased course as "Coastal Skipper / Yachtmaster". There is only one way to get a Yachtmaster qualification; by practical examination, on a boat, at sea. Competent Crew is by a practical course (there is no longer a shorebased course). Day Skipper and Coastal Skipper both have shorebased and practical courses, though to get a Certificate of Competence for CS you have to undergo a practical exam. If the RYA stopped referring to their shorebased course as a Yachtmaster course, then we wouldn't get the stupidity of the man who told me that he was a Yachtmaster when, in fact, he had never in his life sailed a boat!
Oh, yes. I'm a Yachtmaster (qualified to instruct sail and commercially endorsed).
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You're being unfair to the RYA on this one. They take great care to make it clear that the shorebased courses are not the "ticket" courses, and that what you get isa course completion certificate. On my shorebased courses its one thing I tell them at enrolment. Nevertheless, some people chose to misunderstand /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Mind you, I dont think that students should be allowed just to do the practical either. There is no way that a 5 day DS pracxtical course can cover all the practical issues as well as the 48 hours of theory instruction required for the shorebased. So just like the current bike test, I think it should be theory and practical at all levels.
