Fairline Holiday 22

[psvpilot59]

Hello boat people...

Once a flyer, now with heart bypass, decided to buy a boat! Was advised the 'Fairline Holiday 22' which I bought recently, is a good popular 1st boat, and at the price, no need for bank managers, mortgages etc...!!! However, I would appreciate advice from anyone with knowledge of these boats, particularly with regard to performance, fuel consumption,noise etc...!!! My boat is 1976, so I assume it is a MK1 ? - 130hp Volvo 4 cylinder (AQ130C/270) on a stern drive. Full survey, including engine - satisfactory - with 4 year BSS certificate. (4x200psi on compression test)

1)
@ 5kts - 2400 rpm
@ 6kts - 2600 rpm
@ 7kts - 2800 rpm
@ 8kts - 3000 rpm
@10kts- 3600 rpm.....("This is Maximum revs and speed!!!")

2)
At 3600rpm (MAX) it is unbelievably and unacceptably NOISY!!!

3)
Don't know yet (Till she comes out of the water later this month) what size/pitch the Propeller is, but with it only achieving 3600rpm at max throttle, I believe that to be at least 1,000rpm below normal??? (BTW - Throttle properly adjusted and giving full movement at carburettors, and engine revs freely off the clock in neutral!!!) Is this boat/engine/drive...as fast as it should be? Is the Propeller maybe too high geared, stopping the engine from revving any higher? If the Propeller was lower geared (Finer Pitch) allowing the engine revs to reach their maximum (Around 4,500 - 5,000rpm) wouldn't the NOISE then be off this planet???

PS - Hull...Pressure Cleaned and Anti Fouled August 2001!!!

Thanks in anticipation

LM

 

[byron]

Good morning early bird Your Fairline is a MKII designed by John Bennett. I cannot answer your main questions but can tell you that it is blatantly obvious you have the wrong prop on there. If the AQ130c is a petrol engine you should be getting upwards of 20 knots. The reason I say "if it is a petrol engine" is because I am surprised that you have a noise complaint unless of course the sound proofing is gone ???


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[psvpilot59]

Hello Byron,

That was quick! I was just about to go to bed, didn't think anyone would see this till later this evening. However thankyou for you'r comments. It is a petrol engine! I wish it was diesel (30p per litre) but they seem to cost a bit more, and the 'Boss' said we shouldn't spend too much on a 1st boat in case I played with it for a few weeks, then got bored and left it sitting in the garage(Marina)... At the time of looking, I was actually fancying a 'Bayliner' 2455, but the 'Boss' found the cabin (Particularly the double berth under the cockpit sole) claustrophobic. I have since found that they aren't as popular as I thought. According to some people in this Forum anyway! Back to my boat...What soundproofing? The engine bay cover is pure GRP! I have just priced up some soundproofing sheets at Volvo Penta which would cost about £60 to do the engine cover. They do 20,30 and 50mm thicknesses. This price is for 30mm. But if I have to do all the underside of the floor, it will be more! The thing is, you don't know till you've fitted it if it's going to make much difference! You mention 20kts. I must admit, I was expecting 15 to 20 although I realise it isn't going to perform like a new boat. I'm a complete novice in the boating world, but Props are Props and they work exactly the same on an aeroplane!!! Although unlike some planes I flew, my boat doesn't have a variable pitch prop...but @ 3600rpm it does feel like driving you'r car up a steep hill in Top!!! According to the Volvo Penta manual I have, the prop for this engine/drive combination should be 14x13 or 14x15. I'll let you know what I find when I take it off shortly!!! Once again...Thanks Byron.

Now I am definitely asleep!!!!!!

 

[[448]]

I know these engines fairly well. The 130 bit is Volvo speak for maybe a maximum of 100 hp when new, and with those compressions you should be getting about that. They should run up to a max of 5500 rpm. But on account of the age I would re prop to limit max to say 5000. Does the previous owner know what the prop is?
Re prop can be a long and expensive business by trial and error. Expect about 4mpg. It sounds as if the boat has been used inland in which case it might have been deliberately over propped for low speed economy. Hopefully someone with the same combination will post a reply regarding prop size. Before getting your sound-proofing from Volvo, consult the ads in MBM or PBO.
Good luck.

 

[Piers]

Hi - what airplanes did you fly? I used to fly as well until the business I started took-off (so to speak) and looked far more exciting than being in the Caribbean for 10 days every month ... hey-ho, grade 1 in A level hindsight

I then bought a boat as my airplane alternative.

Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast

 

[Guest]

Re: soundproofing

Ifthere is none, it will definitely make a difference. Ensure good seal upon shutting the engne hatch, and get asd much as poss of the foam sandwick stuff on the engine bay roof. You need something better than glue to attach it, though, ask the dealer.

 

[Chris_d]

It could be there is nothing wrong with your boat at all, it may be just overloaded and a bit underpowered. At 10 knots the boat is not planing and is "climbing the hump" you probably have a very steep running angle at this speed.
To get the boat to plane you will have to depress your trim tabs fully and send the wife as far forward as possible, then hopefully the revs will start to rise and the boat accelerate, you will start to plane properly at about 15knots
With your engine though 20knots is all you can expect, and it might be that if the engine is past its best you may never get the boat to plane.
I have 220hp in a similar 22footer and with 4 people on board it can sometimes be a struggle to climb the hump and achieve planing speed, the problem with this sort of boat is that you can only cruise comfortably at say up to 7knots or at over 15knots, never in between because of the steep angle and excessive load on the engine (your noise perhaps), if you are down on power and with 130hp you are starting low, you might have to be content with displacement speeds only.
Sorry if thats not good news!

 

[Guest]

Can the 130 be run on unleaded or does it need additive or valve seats or fuel catalyser?

Any clues?

Cheers

KCA

 

[lanason]

130 is really the base for this size boat - it will never do more than 20 knts even downhill. Everyone is right about clearing the plane speed. Take all the heavy stuff and move forward and see if that helps. My Dad had the same engine in a 24 ft Fjiod a few years back and that was the same. I had to go out on deck at the front and hang over the pulpit.

Anyway i am looking to buy the same boat next year but I really want a MK III with 175 or more. What do you think of the actual boat. where do you store her ?? do you trail her cus that is what I am planning, and yes I know all the comments about towing, I plan to change to a Land Cruiser to provide the grunt.

Let me know

 

[BarryH]

Just gotta reply to this. the vovlo 130 you have, is it running Stromberg side draughts or solex downdraughts.i think the 130 was the OHV engine i maybe wrong. but not is all lost because you can upgrade to twin cards or if its the OHC engine you can get a turbo and fuel injection from the road car. I did this a nd gained about 40-45 hp for around £250 and 2 weekends worth of work.

The fuel injection gives much better cold starting and slow speed running and the big plus is that the petrol side of the fuel system is closed to the atmosphere(no flooding carbs). Its the turbo that really makes the difference to mid range power and acceleration, my boat out accelerates boats with engines twice the size.

Hope this gets the brain box working, the only other thing worth a mention is engine compaertment ventilation its some times overlooked.

 

[psvpilot59]

Hi Chris,

You may well be right! The bow was extremely high at 10kts (Max throttle) and I felt like I was in a stalling aircraft! ie - Max AOA and Min fwd speed!! Too much drag and not enough power to overcome!! However, although I'm not particularly bothered about planing speeds, I hoped I could expect a cruising speed of at least double figures, as anything less makes tidal waters impractical. We are on the river at the moment (With tidal access) so cruising at 6kts is OK! but unless I can overcome the present problems, I don't think I will be taking this boat to sea!! It only has 'Fixed' Trim Tabs so there's not much we can do about that!!! At the end of the day, I just want to be sure the boat/prop etc is configured as efficiently and economically as possible. It is after all our 1st boat, so with more experience/knowledge etc we can always move up to something more powerful at a later date.

Thanks for you'r constructive comments, they're on board with others from the Forum - Matts/islecastle1/lanason/barryh etc....

LM

 

[psvpilot59]

Re: soundproofing

Hi Matts


Thanks for the Information! The stuff I'm looking at at Volvo Penta is self adhesive!! I assume it will be up to the job if it's the genuine article, and not fall off!! I'll certainly make that point B4 buying it!!


Thanks again




LM

 

[psvpilot59]

Hello Piers,

Had a look at you'r Bio, and I feel I should dock my cap and call you Captain!!!!! Impressive!!!! Afraid I'm not in same league!!!

My flying was purely for pleasure...PPL/IMC...around 300hrs total when struck down with the heart bug!! The only similarity I can see, is we both carried passengers!!! Sounds like you have a much bigger boat too!!!! Should I really be speaking to you? "Seriously though".........I enjoyed throwing planes around and going upside down and things! Slingsby Firefly/Robin2160/C150 Aerobat etc. Also the usual PA28 Warrior/Archerll/Arrow R200/AA5 Tiger/C172-182/DV20 Katana and a couple of hours in an Aztec D!!! Also had a go in a Robinson 22, but ("Too many jesus bolts for my liking!!!") I do spend a bit of time on PC Flight Sims now that I'm grounded!! MS FS2000-Fly-Fly Lauda etc...

My wife always said she would rather go on a boat than a plane. "Can't understand people wanting to spend a nice sunny day couped up in a NOISY, SMELLY TIN TUBE....I'd rather be sunbathing!! I can do that on a boat!!!")

We're presently on the river in a lovely part of the county, with Tidal Access!!

I was originally looking at 25 to 30 footers with twin diesels, but the 'Boss' saw this little boat and fell in love with it!! (She liked the colour (It's Green!...."I'm sick of looking at BLUE boats...they're ALL blue!!!!!") She also liked the curtains and the general layout!!! Hope the business continues to do well and you reap the benefits for yourself and the family!!! BTW...I have 2 sons and a daughter + 3 Grandchildren!!! If you flew 707s...then you must be a bit older than your boat??? Probably around my age..59...hence psvpilot59!!!
Well, I've rabbited on long enough...aren't the SCOTS renowned for it????



All the best



LM

 

[Scubadoo]

Before you spend money on Volvo sound proofing take a look at http://www.halyard.co.uk/.

RM.

 

[Guest]

Re: halyard

Think this was the stuff I used. Not cheap, but very good stuff. Can't imagine that self adhesive would stay stuck on upside dowen, though okay for side walls.

 

[ArthurWood]

As others have stated, 100hp sounds a bit low for a 22ft boat. I would have thought min 230hp to get it to run effortlessly.

 

[Piers]

Morning, Louis,

Good to meet you - and no need to call me Captain! I left with three stripes, not four, before a command course came up (it's all strictly on seniority and demand, and there were still too many other pilots ahead of me). However, I did 5000 hours over 13 years in BOAC/BA on the Boeing 707.

After I left, I bought a boat. Soon upgraded to a bigger boat and now have a V39 which I cruise as far and wide as time permits - currently, Scillies to Holland with all stops in between on our south coast, Normandy and the north coast of Brittany, and Channel islands.

And in answer to your next question, yes, although I miss flying 'heavies', I find motor boating an equal, if not more demanding, challenge. Now, that sounds like an article in the making....

Hamble College of Air Training in 1969 - makes me 53. See you on the seas - boat's name is Play d'eau....

Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast

 

[byron]

Whoa Piers, You must remember an old mate of mine Arthur Blackburn. Haven't seen him since the late 1970s when he retired and sailed off into the sunset on his boat.

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[Piers]

Was he on the 707 fleet?

Piers du Pre
MBM Cruising Club enthusiast

 

[byron]

He was Chief Training Captain at Hamble, at least he was when he retired, he was also Commodore of the RAF Yacht Club at Hamble for a couple of years. I have fond memories of betting his wife 10p that I could squeeze her left Tittie without her knowing it, I lost and she grabbed the money with glee shouting "I won I won" it took her a little while to realise why everyone was laughing.

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