Expired UK Passport?

st599 said:
Depends on the residency of the owner.
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The question was more related to the people not the yacht. Interestingly I travelled to the UK by plane earlier this week from France, I had my passport scanned ( I used the French one) before I then presented my UK passport and boarding card to the carrier which I assume was them confirming my eligibility to enter the UK. My wife did the same with her French passport which contained the necessary visa.On arrival we had our passports scanned at immigration. On returning to France from Gatwick yesterday there was no customs or immigration check of our passports only the carrier confirming our right to enter France; How does the UK know we have left? On arrival in France our passports were scanned to confirm entry.
 
billskip said:
If they have reason to know, they will know quicker than you can tell them.

I really am surprised that people think they have any control over secrecy of their whereabouts.
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But they don't without course to interrogating multiple places of potential departure and methods of departure
 
Fr J Hackett said:
But they don't without course to interrogating multiple places of potential departure and methods of departure
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When I had my obligatory interview with regards to becoming a French citizen, a guy from the DGSE Qui sommes-nous ? | DGSE, which is basically the french equivalent of the MI6, was there as well. He asked in detail about the cities (and named them) I had visited in China the year before.
He knew where I had been in China. And that was internal travel in China on Chinese trains and planes reserved in China by a third party - i.e. not directly by me.

They know a hell of a lot more than you can imagine. And it is not as if I was some one worth following......
 
Fr J Hackett said:
But they don't without course to interrogating multiple places of potential departure and methods of departure
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Already all done, all info just sitting waiting for someone to ask, takes split second.
If you are a person of interest, they know when you will fart.
 
westernman said:
When I had my obligatory interview with regards to becoming a French citizen, a guy from the DGSE Qui sommes-nous ? | DGSE, which is basically the french equivalent of the MI6, was there as well. He asked in detail about the cities (and named them) I had visited in China the year before.
He knew where I had been in China. And that was internal travel in China on Chinese trains and planes reserved in China by a third party - i.e. not directly by me.

They know a hell of a lot more than you can imagine. And it is not as if I was some one worth following......
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I will take your word for it, I was interviewed by a plain clothes policeman in our apartment, I think he was more concerned that we were actually genuinely living together and not just a marriage of convenience as he had a bit of a poke around looking into a couple of rooms. He had a look at my passport and commented on a Russian visa in it. Then there was the obligatory interview testing knowledge and language at the prefecture by a civil service woman. You are obviously more important than me.
 
Fr J Hackett said:
I will take your word for it, I was interviewed by a plain clothes policeman in our apartment, I think he was more concerned that we were actually genuinely living together and not just a marriage of convenience as he had a bit of a poke around looking into a couple of rooms. He had a look at my passport and commented on a Russian visa in it. Then there was the obligatory interview testing knowledge and language at the prefecture by a civil service woman. You are obviously more important than me.
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There was an ordinary policewoman there in uniform. She did not get any time to speak!
 
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Fr J Hackett said:
The question was more related to the people not the yacht. Interestingly I travelled to the UK by plane earlier this week from France, I had my passport scanned ( I used the French one) before I then presented my UK passport and boarding card to the carrier which I assume was them confirming my eligibility to enter the UK. My wife did the same with her French passport which contained the necessary visa.On arrival we had our passports scanned at immigration. On returning to France from Gatwick yesterday there was no customs or immigration check of our passports only the carrier confirming our right to enter France; How does the UK know we have left? On arrival in France our passports were scanned to confirm entry.
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The UK doesn’t have exit immigration - at least not from airports. This is all done in advance (APIS) so when you submit this it gets passed to the Home Office by the carrier. Similarly if you don’t do it in advance and leave it until the airport then the same applies.
 
pretzel_logic said:
The UK doesn’t have exit immigration - at least not from airports.
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Migration from airports is controlled by the boarding gate check, or at some stage you have to present your ID to continue your jurney.
This information is recorded when your ID is scanned or entered into the system.
 
billskip said:
Migration from airports is controlled by the boarding gate check, or at some stage you have to present your ID to continue your jurney.
This information is recorded when your ID is scanned or entered into the system.
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I know it might seem like that, but that’s not quite correct. All that is done at the gate is just a check to make sure that you are the same person that has checked in and passed through to airside (also to match up with the person who has checked luggage in) and also a carrier liability check to ensure that you can enter the country you are flying to.
The passport isn’t scanned at the gate nor are any notes made, there is no time for that. It’s given a cursory look, depending how close on schedule they are.

All the data is collected either at check in or before by APIS and then passed on to departure and arrival authorities.
 
pretzel_logic said:
I know it might seem like that, but that’s not quite correct. All that is done at the gate is just a check to make sure that you are the same person that has checked in and passed through to airside (also to match up with the person who has checked luggage in) and also a carrier liability check to ensure that you can enter the country you are flying to.
The passport isn’t scanned at the gate nor are any notes made, there is no time for that. It’s given a cursory look, depending how close on schedule they are.

All the data is collected either at check in or before by APIS and then passed on to departure and arrival authorities.
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Which is what I thought but as I as do others use two passports they must have to correlate the two, presumably my UK passport was linked to my French passport when I applied for it and had to give my French passport details but there could obviously be flaws in that as there could be / is a distinct separation in time of issue and therefore numbers, in my case 3 years so in 6 years time any correlation between the two passports will be lost. Maybe I am over thinking it or control of UK borders isn't all it's cracked up to be.
 
billskip said:
Migration from airports is controlled by the boarding gate check, or at some stage you have to present your ID to continue your jurney.
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pretzel_logic said:
I know it might seem like that
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I don't think it's a case of "seem like " it's a fact that you passed through that gate..so your whereabouts is known at that time.
If there is some way of passing through that gate and not boarding the aircraft then maybe it may cause concern.
It doesn't really matter how many passports you have they are all linked in some way.
As said I believe if one is a person of interest they have at their disposal information.
Google gives pretty quick search results...
And Google knows where you are.
 
billskip said:
I don't think it's a case of "seem like " it's a fact that you passed through that gate..so your whereabouts is known at that time.
If there is some way of passing through that gate and not boarding the aircraft then maybe it may cause concern.
It doesn't really matter how many passports you have they are all linked in some way.
As said I believe if one is a person of interest they have at their disposal information.
Google gives pretty quick search results...
And Google knows where you are.
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I travelled to Greece and back from France without my passport being scanned.

I had entered passport details when I purchased my ticket, but only a very cursory glance was made at my passport when boarding - they just checked the name in the passport was the same as on the boarding pass.

The boarding pass was issued by a machine for France to Greece when it scanned the ticket QR code on my mobile. For the return journey, the check in desk scanned the QR code. No passport or ID was asked for. Again, on boarding a very very quick look at the my passport was done presumably to check the name matched the boarding card.

I flew back from a different airport than I flew into.
 
billskip said:
I don't think it's a case of "seem like " it's a fact that you passed through that gate..so your whereabouts is known at that time.
If there is some way of passing through that gate and not boarding the aircraft then maybe it may cause concern.
It doesn't really matter how many passports you have they are all linked in some way.
As said I believe if one is a person of interest they have at their disposal information.
Google gives pretty quick search results...
And Google knows where you are.
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Are you perchance saying that UK border security relies on Google search engines 😁 I always understood that UK government IT projects were invariably useless but to have come to relying on Google is surely beyond the Pale.
 
Fr J Hackett said:
Are you perchance saying that UK border security relies on Google search engines 😁 I always understood that UK government IT projects were invariably useless but to have come to relying on Google is surely beyond the Pale.
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🤣🤣 well not really, but Google I think could throw up your whereabouts pretty quick. All this data collected with our use of the internet leaves very little unknown.
I was advised by one government department (choose to believe or not) that they have a system that can give instant information about UK citizens, I choose to believe it.
 
billskip said:
I don't think it's a case of "seem like " it's a fact that you passed through that gate..so your whereabouts is known at that time.
If there is some way of passing through that gate and not boarding the aircraft then maybe it may cause concern.
It doesn't really matter how many passports you have they are all linked in some way.
As said I believe if one is a person of interest they have at their disposal information.
Google gives pretty quick search results...
And Google knows where you are.
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Sure but that’s not how the authorities get the information that you’ve travelled out of the country. That comes from the APIS/check-in process. The gate process has nothing to do with it, as I said. That’s merely a carrier check.

I worked at Border Force at LHR for a few years so I have some idea how the system works - both in and out.
 
pretzel_logic said:
Sure but that’s not how the authorities get the information that you’ve travelled out of the country. That comes from the APIS/check-in process. The gate process has nothing to do with it, as I said. That’s merely a carrier check.

I worked at Border Force at LHR for a few years so I have some idea how the system works - both in and out.
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I'm sure you do know how it works...what I'm saying is no matter how it works they know the whereabouts of people of interest, to think they don't, I believe would be like a flat earth believer.
I'm afraid Fr J Hackett is of very little interest...🤣
 
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