newtothis
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Not the first time drunk, sleeping or plain inattentive officers have parked a vessel in the wrong place.
Ever Given again? No, Ever Forward not going forward
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LONG_KEELER
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Just in addition to Frank's post from G Captain.
Frank Holden
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'Did she miss a waypoint here?'.
Just in addition to Frank's post from G Captain.
No-she missed a 'wheel over point ' half way between that position and the top of the pic.
Kukri
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We don’t know why yet.
We don’t know why, yet, but it could be for one of all sorts of reasons.
In my former company we had a particularly horrible East German open hatch ice class bulk carrier that everyone hated. She was a masterpiece of Communist engineering ; that is to say that she looked good, all the materials were ratshit, and she had been built without a thought of maintenance. We all hated her. One friend recalls spending several hours in her crank case hanging off a piston in a gale in the Taiwan Strait as she drifted towards the rocky shore of Taiwan, after which he had to shower in diesel. Another stuffed her into a quay at Livorno when the VP propeller failed. Another, who died recently, stuffed her into a lock rêvetment in Antwerp and for once it wasn’t the ship’s fault. She had tugs connected fore and aft when the Pilot had a heart attack. Olaf Overland was a very fine ships Master but his command of Flemish was no better than mine…
We don’t know why, yet, but it could be for one of all sorts of reasons.
In my former company we had a particularly horrible East German open hatch ice class bulk carrier that everyone hated. She was a masterpiece of Communist engineering ; that is to say that she looked good, all the materials were ratshit, and she had been built without a thought of maintenance. We all hated her. One friend recalls spending several hours in her crank case hanging off a piston in a gale in the Taiwan Strait as she drifted towards the rocky shore of Taiwan, after which he had to shower in diesel. Another stuffed her into a quay at Livorno when the VP propeller failed. Another, who died recently, stuffed her into a lock rêvetment in Antwerp and for once it wasn’t the ship’s fault. She had tugs connected fore and aft when the Pilot had a heart attack. Olaf Overland was a very fine ships Master but his command of Flemish was no better than mine…
Frank Holden
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Talking about 'bridge coms' I was 3/0 on a tanker many many years ago. British deck officers - english first and only language , Spanish crew with español as first and only language - except for the bosun. We had mastered a very basic form of the malim sahib's español so we could communicate with the crew.
Departing Le Havre first helm order is given by french pilot in english.
The response was a simple '¿qué?'
From then on all instructions were given to the helmsman by the pilot in español with the master and I right out of the loop..
Departing Le Havre first helm order is given by french pilot in english.
The response was a simple '¿qué?'
From then on all instructions were given to the helmsman by the pilot in español with the master and I right out of the loop..
mjcoon
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That is a surname that seems contra-indicated for a ship's master! New Scientist has in the past published more appropriate ones for the owner's occupation that readers send in, but I cannot remember the term they use...
While looking for it, I found an item on a game for putting Evergreen ships aground. The article (which maybe non-subscribers cannot access) is the-site-that-lets-you-run-the-ever-given-aground-anywhere-you-fancy. The site concerned is evergiven-everywhere.glitch.me
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Stemar
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It's nominative determination. Unfortunately, the NS site is subscription only, but here's one little gem
And a few more from elsewhere
Kukri
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Smit had a salvage tug Master named Egbert Ploeg.
westhinder
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I would be most surprised if Antwerp tug captains did not respond to English instructions in an emergency
Stemar
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Me too. A friend who lived inAmsterdam back in the 70s said there was a standing joke about a guy who came to Amsterdam to learn Dutch, but only succeeded in learning English.
Kukri
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Oh, they did… eventually. Just not in time to stop the bulbous bow hitting the wall…
LONG_KEELER
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Sort of latest to what's happening.
Kukri
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In broad terms, containers are stowed on deck with “lights” and empties over “heavies”. So the first boxes to come off won’t change anything much. Reefer (refrigerated) boxes are very heavy and are usually stowed on the hatches, but taking those off means unplugging them and if they are not plugged in again within an hour or two their expensive contents will start to spoil, so the barges they are moved to will need generators.
Taking the hatch lids off can be done but getting under deck boxes held in cell guides out without damage requires the use of self aligning spreaders
All this must be done with due regard to the stresses on the hull. I know this is often said, but a one metre long scale model of the ship would be made of kitchen foil.
Meanwhile there are neither big tugs nor big dredgers in the US flag fleet of ships, and the Jones Act applies…
“Been there, done that thing”
… and this is my T shirt
Taking the hatch lids off can be done but getting under deck boxes held in cell guides out without damage requires the use of self aligning spreaders
All this must be done with due regard to the stresses on the hull. I know this is often said, but a one metre long scale model of the ship would be made of kitchen foil.
Meanwhile there are neither big tugs nor big dredgers in the US flag fleet of ships, and the Jones Act applies…
“Been there, done that thing”
… and this is my T shirt
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Fr J Hackett
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You could at least have put it in the washing machine.
Kukri
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She had just spent six weeks under water with that side in Mississippi mud.
She did clean up quite nicely. She went on to lead a long and happy life; she was scrapped in 2012, thirty years later.
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westhinder
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That is a striking and instructive analogy . Thank you
Concerto
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Some new activity is starting around Ever Forward.
Equipment Staging for Next Phase of Ever Forward Salvage Kicking Off Today (gcaptain.com)
Equipment Staging for Next Phase of Ever Forward Salvage Kicking Off Today (gcaptain.com)
LONG_KEELER
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They have made a start.
Interesting challenge for manual attachments .
Interesting challenge for manual attachments .
Concerto
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Most of the first boxes to be lifted will be empty, so it will be some time before the boxes removed will make any reduction in the displacement of Ever Forward.