Ever Given again? No, Ever Forward not going forward

[newtothis]

I wonder if they will have to start taking containers off. Doesn't seem to be much of a range.

Plan at the moment is to dredge, de-ballast and drag. Lightering container off is going to be a last resort.

 

[2Tizwoz]

Ever Forward Same crew training?

 

[2Tizwoz]

I met a pilot once who said it was the best seafaring job you could have. All authority, no responsibility, and you get to go home to your own bed at night.
Unclear yet what the cause of this one was. It should have turned south at the mark, but whether that was driver error or mech failure remains to be seen.

There are some downsides

 

[dgadee]

There are some downsides

I head a talk by a Belfast pilot who said they were training all sorts to climb ladders as part of their business. He also said the captain was always in charge and his role was advisory. Wonder what he advised there.

 

[Concerto]

Still stuck.
Ever Forward Refloating Plan Remains in the Works Five Days After Grounding

 

[Wandering Star]

I wonder if anyones investigated the possibilty those Portuguese Orcas are holidaying in the Chesapeake Bay Area?

 

[Resolution]

There are some downsides

My grandfather was a ship's pilot out in what was then Malaya and fell in off Penang whilst returning to his pilot boat. The pilot boat skipper heard the bump as he bounced off the deck, assumed he had gone down below as usual and zoomed off at speed back to Penang. Leaving grandfather a long swim back to the shore. Reputedly grandmother was furious with him for being late for dinner.

 

[Concerto]

The diggers have started work.
Dredgers Get to Work Digging Out Ever Forward (gcaptain.com)

 

[LONG_KEELER]

I wonder if Smartphones are allowed on ship's bridges . Collisions and groundings seem to have increased in line with there popularity.

I have decided I am going to ban myself from using them in the cockpit.

 

[newtothis]

I wonder if Smartphones are allowed on ship's bridges . Collisions and groundings seem to have increased in line with there popularity.

I have decided I am going to ban myself from using them in the cockpit.

Peak groundings was in 2008, i.e., before smartphones were widely available. The number has firmly trending down since then.
You might be safer if you continue to use Navionics on your phone in the cockpit than rely on "seem to have".

 

[Alan S]

I wonder if Smartphones are allowed on ship's bridges . Collisions and groundings seem to have increased in line with there popularity.

I have decided I am going to ban myself from using them in the cockpit.

Reading some MAIB reports where "situation awareness" and warchkeepers not properly using ECDIS have resulted in groundings I sometimes wonder if Navionics on a smart phone might have been more useful.

 

[Concerto]

Another attempt is currently being made to refloat Ever Forward.

New Attempt to Refloat Ever Forward (gcaptain.com)

 

[Bajansailor]

And they updated the report to say that this latest effort was unsuccessful.
Maybe she will have to be re-named 'Ever Grounded'.

Although this statement sounds hopeful -
"The National Weather Service has issued a small craft advisory for the Chesapeake Bay in effect until 4 a.m. Friday with southeast winds gusting to 25 knots and seas around 3 feet. This system is expected to bring high tides of around 2 feet, about 0.5 to 1 foot more than normal. "
I guess that this will effectively push up the water up the Chesapeake - but would an extra 6" - 12" of tidal height be enough, when considering how hard aground the vessel is already?

 

[burgundyben]

Where is Andrew Craig-Bennet's input?

 

[Kukri]

Where is Andrew Craig-Bennet's input?

I don’t think I can add much to what Newtothis has posted.

 

[Kukri]

However I will do my best to waffle.

The NTSB and the USCG were on board very quickly and secured the VDR etc. So the NTSB report will be along shortly.

I do have some experience of refloating ships.

As others have said, there’s very little rise of tide in the Chesapeake. Worse, the area is more prone to meteorological conditions cutting the predicted rise than raising it, though there was a hurricane some years ago that added seven feet and flooded Annapolis.

The Chesapeake doesn’t have the big dredgers that the Suez Canal has and the USA doesn’t have big tugs either.

The first thing to do is to dredge round the ship to try to get the now very hard mud under her to crumble into the trenches on each side.

The ground effect can be calculated by seeing how far out of her draft she is and multiplying by the TPC. It’s going to be huge.

It will be necessary to break the suction, and wriggling the ship a bit from side to side will do this.

 

[Kukri]

I wonder if Smartphones are allowed on ship's bridges . Collisions and groundings seem to have increased in line with there popularity.

I have decided I am going to ban myself from using them in the cockpit.

No they are not. (Not officially, see below) And this grounding happened with the ship under pilot’s advice with the engine room manned and the Pilot, the Master, the OOW and the helmsman all in the wheelhouse.

Since the US NTSB will publish a report soon enough I won’t speculate on why she was making a good clip ( 12+ knots) and why she missed the wheel over position.

The grounding of the WAKASHIO on the coast of Mauritius was down to the usual modern practice of taking a ship into cell phone range of any land that she might plausibly get close to so that everyone on board can phone home - alas on this occasion the effects of a birthday party affected the situational awareness of those in the wheelhouse and the Master was indeed on the bridge and on the phone to his wife.

We had to have words with the bright young 2/O who thought it was a good idea to download the electronic chart corrections onto his phone and from there to the ECDIS. There but for the Grace of God…

 

[Kukri]

Ever Forward Same crew training?

Almost certainly, and in my experience of Evergreen, it’s very good. Both ships were under pilots’ advice.

 

[Frank Holden]

If you take her position off Marinetraffic and plot it on OpenCPN you can see it gets pretty shallow pretty quick when you leave the dredged channel.
I wonder how much of her is actually aground.

 

[Frank Holden]

According to this https://marinemonks.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ever-Forward-Position.jpg
my position may be a little bit adrift.