Euro Phobes?

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Re: ish, though

The UK idea of a monetary policy comittee MPC was to reduce the amount of obvious pre/post election government interest rate twiddling. Not to absolve all power over the currency.

Currently, if the economy goes to rats, the govt get voted out. Makes no difference if t blair or current govt says ah but those MPC gits set the wrong rate. Eventually, after only a minor amount of it going to rats, the MPC wd get a severe kicking from govt, told not to concentrate on inflation so much, and/or we'd vote in a diffrent govt that would either givem the kicking or take back the responsibilty.

Now, try any of that with the ECB, all of them much more used to being totally and utterly independent of govt's (cos they start wars, whereas the banks pay for them) and they'll tell each govt to bog off and be the govt, and leave the currency to them, thankyou.

Euros isn't a case of swapping the MPC bods for some other bods in Europe. The entire currency wd be controllled by ECB, including money suply, reserves and so on. HM govt has to sign up to a tax regime that doesn't give back a few quid in tax breaks otherwise everyone in that area wd be made richer than the others, and we can't have that now can we? Certainly not. Governments get v worried about the "gap between rich and poor" cos of course, they're daft: but if everyone doubles their salary tomorrow morning, the gap widens by 100%. Note the very much bigger "gap" that will surely arise between uk and poor elsewhere in EC, so taxes will go up again to make everything "fair" from that new standpoint.

Note also that a pre-requisite of a common currency will be for everyone to be allowed free movement, to move to where the jobs are, so we'd best forget the idea of stopping foreign types at the port, and get used to the idea of the UK population getting lots bigger, as we aren't quite as racist as elsewhere and we give out nice dole, free healthcare and free schools and speak english as taught by BBC world service, all the US films, pop music and also taught by every european country from primary school age. We should have no problem with this, as UK wealth has leapt with massive influxes of cheap labour as in 19century, and after war with caribs coming over. But a lower tax and lower benefits regime might be appropriate....but not allowed?

Currently, the "advantages" of an independent bank are marvellously over-trumpeted. Even politicians themselves are saying how great it would be, cos it's all complicated innit, and don't trust politicians to er do what we are sposed to do...

Are there any other countries that have recently adopted the curency of another, exporting the abilty to print money, set interest rates and so on? Yes! Think of counrtries like Honduras and Guatamala. Good eh?
 

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Re: I will, then.

I don't argue with the convenience at a personal level for European travellers like yourself based in the Netherlands, although this won't apply to most UK people - even on holiday they'll visit just one country. The convenience you cite is relevant in the Netherlands, not in the north of England, for example.

At a corporate level, there is already a large-transaction currency in which many if not most UK commodoties are bought and sold, this being the US dollar.

An intersting question arises as to why the euro countries, in their search for mere convenience and lower costs - the only advantgaes which you cite- did not simply adopt the established low-cost and stable currency - the US dollar?

The reason for this is the same as the reason why people in the same street, the same company, even the same family don't have the same bank account. It's the reason for wars in the middle east, revolution in eastern europe, terrorism in western europe. It's the same reason as we all have our own small boats instead of clubbing together to buy larger ones. *Self -determination* - the freedom as far as possible to do what one wants, as one wants, when one wants. Top of Maskell's pyramid, and worth any amount of cheap CD's, I'd say.
 

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Re: Britain Rules Ok.

Hate to mention this i do live in Euroland its right here right now in the SE of England.i have more in common with the people 50 miles to my East than with the peeps 150 miles to the north.Give me Wine and frites over fried mars bars and Meths any day.:)

Just hold tight dear it will not be so rough when we get round the corner,trust me.
 

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Re: Britain Rules Ok.

Britain rules what? Don't get too bluidy cheeky about the north laddie, plenty of meths drinkers in the SE, you only need to look on the streets of london and some areas of Kent to know that, so be a little careful with your comments, please? /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
 

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Corrupted by what?

Do you really think that not being anywhere enough can corrupt anybody?
Assuming that by "corrupted" you mean having a restricted/limited viewpoint, only being wherever TOO LONG can "corrupt" somebody - not the other way round.
IMHO obviously.

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Re: Corrupted by what?

Absolutely right. Having lived in Europe now for six years, we are constantly amused and/or horrified by the insular attitudes of politicians, journalists, pundits and the public, as seen on British TV. Yes, I know that GB is an island and maybe entitled to be insular, but when it comes to a wide range of things that are in common use abroad, there seems to be an incredible head-in-sand attitude displayed by all and sundry. Drugs policies, prostitution, road pricing, rail travel, environment, the Euro, you name it - UK seems determined to reinvent the wheel, often going down routes already tried and rejected elsewhere.
 
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Are there such things as Euros? I insist the my Wife calls the Francs, Marks etc.

Don't give in to this insidious menace!

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Re: Corrupted by what?

I am sure that you are probably right. But in exactly which part of the world did you mislay your sense of humour?
 

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Re: Britain Rules Ok.

And the fried Mars bars .

Just hold tight dear it will not be so rough when we get round the corner,trust me.
 
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