EU citizen buying used 6M boat in Spain that's on SSR

billskip said:
Actually matriculation tax is only levied against boats over 8 mtrs. ....
As for the link the info is out there but what difference does it make,its wrong according to you.
It's quite simple really, I advised the OP to seek out and get information from the relevant authorities, this advice I stand by.
Your seeking to talk down any comments by me is your choice, it's sad really.
I dont wish to continue, you are correct in everything you say......carry on....
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I would still like to read a link to your quote.
And Mat tax is not limited to boats so it would be good to see a link showing the limit of 8m.
 
Hurricane said:
I would still like to read a link to your quote.
And Mat tax is not limited to boats so it would be good to see a link showing the limit of 8m.
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I didn't say matriculation tax was only limited to boats. Why you mention that I dont understand.
You are the one saying I am wrong, so you must know what is right.
As said, carry on you know best......
 
Irish Rover said:
@billskip + @Hurricane - go get a room. OP came on the forum looking for some help and guidance not to read through pages of your childish nonsense.
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You can always put me on ignore.
I already said to hurricane he is right and to get on with it.
I wasnt aware that you considered yourself to have the right dictate what is posted.
I am fully aware what the OP enquire about, this is a forum
If you dont like it dont read it.
If anything your intervention is less to do with the OP than anything to do with Hurricane and me
 
Irish Rover said:
@billskip + @Hurricane - go get a room. OP came on the forum looking for some help and guidance not to read through pages of your childish nonsense.
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Actually, the points being discussed between us are quite serious.
Let me give an example.
There are lots of UK posters on here that keep boats in Spain.
At the moment, we are limited to 90 days in any 180 to visit our boats.
But, an alternative is for a UK resident to apply for Spanish Residencia and then be able to stay in Spain as long as he wants.
OK, thats nothing to do with this thread but if a UK resident became a Spanish resident, it is considered that his boat in Spain would have to be matriculated (taxed) into Spain.
Thus costing a significant amount and thats excluding any VAT that might be due.
I am always looking for information on this kind of thing so challenging billskip to provide this information will help everyone.

I appreciate that it seems childish but I'm always looking at these legal aspects so when someone comes up with a point that I haven't seen before, I like to get to the bottom of it.
It would be useful to me if billskip would link some of his quotes so that we can all see where his information comes from.

I apologise for the thread drift but, as I say, there are some serious issues here.
 
Hurricane said:
Actually, the points being discussed between us are quite serious.
Let me give an example.
There are lots of UK posters on here that keep boats in Spain.
At the moment, we are limited to 90 days in any 180 to visit our boats.
But, an alternative is for a UK resident to apply for Spanish Residencia and then be able to stay in Spain as long as he wants.
OK, thats nothing to do with this thread but if a UK resident became a Spanish resident, it is considered that his boat in Spain would have to be matriculated (taxed) into Spain.
Thus costing a significant amount and thats excluding any VAT that might be due.
I am always looking for information on this kind of thing so challenging billskip to provide this information will help everyone.

I appreciate that it seems childish but I'm always looking at these legal aspects so when someone comes up with a point that I haven't seen before, I like to get to the bottom of it.
It would be useful to me if billskip would link some of his quotes so that we can all see where his information comes from.

I apologise for the thread drift but, as I say, there are some serious issues here.
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Could I respectfully [this time] suggest you start a new thread with an appropriate thread title rather than having all this apparently valuable information lost in a thread about something different.
 
Hurricane said:
Actually, the points being discussed between us are quite serious.
Let me give an example.
There are lots of UK posters on here that keep boats in Spain.
At the moment, we are limited to 90 days in any 180 to visit our boats.
But, an alternative is for a UK resident to apply for Spanish Residencia and then be able to stay in Spain as long as he wants.
OK, thats nothing to do with this thread but if a UK resident became a Spanish resident, it is considered that his boat in Spain would have to be matriculated (taxed) into Spain.
Thus costing a significant amount and thats excluding any VAT that might be due.
I am always looking for information on this kind of thing so challenging billskip to provide this information will help everyone.

I appreciate that it seems childish but I'm always looking at these legal aspects so when someone comes up with a point that I haven't seen before, I like to get to the bottom of it.
It would be useful to me if billskip would link some of his quotes so that we can all see where his information comes from.

I apologise for the thread drift but, as I say, there are some serious issues here.
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I couldn't agree more, it's a minefield, but one of the biggest problems is in the translation, also the omission of fine print when we try to investigate.
I have found in the past that saying something here in the belief of my understanding is read by others and different conclusions as to meaning/context are drawn.
The problem is the insistence of some to say their interpretation is the correct one.
If all this was so clear this confusion wouldn't exist, so these discussions I agree are informative and can give insight to an alternate view.
I am the first to put my hands up and admit I'm wrong, but being told I'm wrong without being shown what's right I cant agree.
One can read different articles which can be interpreted differently even though they are information on the same subject.
As I said in a previous post I can only say that my experience of bringing a boat and buying another boat then selling both boats gave me a good insight as to the laws and requirements.
As is well known different regions of Spain seem to implement different rules, my experience is Tenerife.
I believe though the basic rules are across all Spain.

For the OP as suggested, I recommend you seek clarification from the authorities as to the requirements needed.

You may know the seller personally, you may not,
I wish you an easy experience in finalizing you purchase.
 
billskip said:
I couldn't agree more, it's a minefield, but one of the biggest problems is in the translation, also the omission of fine print when we try to investigate.
I have found in the past that saying something here in the belief of my understanding is read by others and different conclusions as to meaning/context are drawn.
The problem is the insistence of some to say their interpretation is the correct one.
If all this was so clear this confusion wouldn't exist, so these discussions I agree are informative and can give insight to an alternate view.
I am the first to put my hands up and admit I'm wrong, but being told I'm wrong without being shown what's right I cant agree.
One can read different articles which can be interpreted differently even though they are information on the same subject.
As I said in a previous post I can only say that my experience of bringing a boat and buying another boat then selling both boats gave me a good insight as to the laws and requirements.
As is well known different regions of Spain seem to implement different rules, my experience is Tenerife.
I believe though the basic rules are across all Spain.

For the OP as suggested, I recommend you seek clarification from the authorities as to the requirements needed.

You may know the seller personally, you may not,
I wish you an easy experience in finalizing you purchase.
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OK - lets leave it at that.
I don't think we have been rude to each other and looking at your number of posts on these forums, we have both been at it a long time.
Constructive discussions are what I'm looking for.
Sorry again for the thread drift.
 
billskip said:
I couldn't agree more, it's a minefield, but one of the biggest problems is in the translation, also the omission of fine print when we try to investigate.
I have found in the past that saying something here in the belief of my understanding is read by others and different conclusions as to meaning/context are drawn.
The problem is the insistence of some to say their interpretation is the correct one.
If all this was so clear this confusion wouldn't exist, so these discussions I agree are informative and can give insight to an alternate view.
I am the first to put my hands up and admit I'm wrong, but being told I'm wrong without being shown what's right I cant agree.
One can read different articles which can be interpreted differently even though they are information on the same subject.
As I said in a previous post I can only say that my experience of bringing a boat and buying another boat then selling both boats gave me a good insight as to the laws and requirements.
As is well known different regions of Spain seem to implement different rules, my experience is Tenerife.
I believe though the basic rules are across all Spain.

For the OP as suggested, I recommend you seek clarification from the authorities as to the requirements needed.

You may know the seller personally, you may not,
I wish you an easy experience in finalizing you purchase.
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Tenerife is not the same as Spain for VAT and excise rules.
 
Gr1f said:
Hi all,
I'm from Ireland and am planning on buying a 2007 6.2m motorboat via private sale that is UK registered. It's been in Spain for quite some time I gather, (possibly since 2007).

I do not live here permanently but am here a lot. The boat will be dry-docked for now.

Does anyone know what needs to be done regarding registration on the boat?

Any help very much appreciated!
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The reason I mentioned 'do you know the seller ' is basically to ascertain his status.
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b) The vessel is intended to be used in Spanish waters by a resident in Spain, whether natural or legal person, or a non-resident entity with a permanent establishment.

Use means the right to dispose of the boat by a natural person or legal entity.
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The last bit could be of concern if the seller is in anyway consider to be of resident status.
All I'm trying to do is cover as many possible problems you might have if things go tits up.
However I wish you to have a pleasant secure transaction.
 
billskip said:
The reason I mentioned 'do you know the seller ' is basically to ascertain his status.
Quote...
b) The vessel is intended to be used in Spanish waters by a resident in Spain, whether natural or legal person, or a non-resident entity with a permanent establishment.

Use means the right to dispose of the boat by a natural person or legal entity.
Unquote....
The last bit could be of concern if the seller is in anyway consider to be of resident status.
All I'm trying to do is cover as many possible problems you might have if things go tits up.
However I wish you to have a pleasant secure transaction.
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I think I understand what you are trying to say.
But what you write is a bit misleading.
Can you post a link to your quotes so that we can all read the contexts etc.
 
Hurricane said:
I think I understand what you are trying to say.
But what you write is a bit misleading.
Can you post a link to your quotes so that we can all read the contexts etc.
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The OP says he is Irish, but doesnt say the nationality/residential status of the seller.
The boat is in Spain therefore it could be subject to one of the laws of Spain relating to usage, sale of or a tax liability,
even though the boat is UK SSR.
I am suggesting that Gr1f seeks security in his purchase by getting information from the authorities.
Any link I provided is not necessarily a legal statement, whether you, I or another interpretation differs.

Also I find it difficult to do links the seem not to work
 
Along the exact lines lines of Billskip my enquiry into the “ I am here a lot “ and “ I am not a resident “ .
I know a lot of EU folks overstay time in one particular state in this case Sp .

It suits them to keep there heads low .As Billskip infers a whole raft of taxes are out there to snare them .
Residence status for tax as Billskip infers earlier in one of his reply’s is interpreted different way by different folks , even officialdom across the EU .

You the individual don’t decide .It’s very complex based on a multitude of factors inc length of stays ( with or without a visa ) and various economic activities testing , property ownership is the Op paying property taxes , rates utilities etc how visible is he on the Sp taxation system at the mo .Is there something in some region he could trip into etc etc .Can get very murky .
 
Portofino said:
Along the exact lines lines of Billskip my enquiry into the “ I am here a lot “ and “ I am not a resident “ .
I know a lot of EU folks overstay time in one particular state in this case Sp .

It suits them to keep there heads low .As Billskip infers a whole raft of taxes are out there to snare them .
Residence status for tax as Billskip infers earlier in one of his reply’s is interpreted different way by different folks , even officialdom across the EU .

You the individual don’t decide .It’s very complex based on a multitude of factors inc length of stays ( with or without a visa ) and various economic activities testing , property ownership is the Op paying property taxes , rates utilities etc how visible is he on the Sp taxation system at the mo .Is there something in some region he could trip into etc etc .Can get very murky .
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These laws are not new they have been around many years.
 
Portofino said:
At the op in post #1 you state “ I am here a lot “
What do you mean by that?


I know what passport you hold you have told us that .
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I hold an Irish PP and will probably be a tax resident in the near future but am still mainly living in Ireland. I travel a lot.

One other thing someone might be able to help me with is: Is there a grace period of time that I can drive the boat while it's in the process of being registered?
 
billskip said:
The OP says he is Irish, but doesnt say the nationality/residential status of the seller.
The boat is in Spain therefore it could be subject to one of the laws of Spain relating to usage, sale of or a tax liability,
even though the boat is UK SSR.
I am suggesting that Gr1f seeks security in his purchase by getting information from the authorities.
Any link I provided is not necessarily a legal statement, whether you, I or another interpretation differs.

Also I find it difficult to do links the seem not to work
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The seller is a UK resident living in Spain.
 
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