xyachtdave
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What's wrong with that??
Ending the hostility - raggies v stinkies
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What's wrong with that??
Seajet
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Accountants ! Don't ever try to set foot on my boat if you're an accountant; one of those ruined working for BAe, while not able to tell an Aeroplane from an Aardvark...
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Greenheart
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Bridging the sail/power divide...
Thanks, Madhatter! I'm on a roll, now...
...umm...you weren't joking, were you? 
(Tragically fragile ego...)
Go for it Dan ,you tell them
Thanks, Madhatter! I'm on a roll, now...
...umm...you weren't joking, were you? (Tragically fragile ego...)How about speeding through moorings in a Mcgregor?QUOTE]
Ah, yes, the Mac26! A boat with no fans, just owners. An almost-fast motorboat crossed with an almost-serious sailboat...
...roundly disliked, distrusted or dismissed by serious boatists of any and every conventional orientation! Perhaps we dislike the attempt to steer our allegiance from sail to power, or vice versa? Or, it could just be the cheap mass-produced coolbox styling...
Maybe catamarans are the most persuasive route to enjoying both worlds, although I can't think of one with serious engines...
...but equally, they're enough unlike traditional sailing yachts, to have a hope of bridging entrenched discrimination. Although, lots of folk I've met, don't like 'em because they're catamarans...as Jesus said, there's no pleasing some people.
BrendanS
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ROFL!!!!!!!
Greenheart
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Do you jest, XYDave?
I used to see spinnakers aloft amid moorings, and was always reminded of the irresistible force/immoveable object question...
...a sad cacophany of splintering fibreglass was my best guess at the answer.
We're justifiably disapproving about large motoryachts carrying excessive speed through constricted areas...but fifteen tonnes of sloop, driven by fifteen hundred square feet of spinnaker, must be at least as insanely reckless...and WHY take the chance?
Same old story, I say: it's usually some sorry berk feeling he needs his ego fluffed up, by conspicuous risk- or liberty-taking.
Most likely all of us who've expressed anger or concern here, are of the type who take every care not to cause ructions...but...
...there are significant, less careful portions of both sail and motor camps.
Even though I enjoy it, I suspect there’s no benefit to be gained, from criticising our responsible opposite numbers here!
xyachtdave
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Sorry, forgot the smiley thing!
johnjfrake
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I have to agree, as a raggie the one time I need a tow in the solent I was turned down by a fellow raggie and assisted by a stinkie. I have been bounced around by the odd idiot in a power boat but I dare say a few stinkies have been given an uneccessarily hard time by some of us raggies.
Personally I takje the view that if you're on the water then you're my mate until you prove otherwise!
Personally I takje the view that if you're on the water then you're my mate until you prove otherwise!
ricky_s
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blueglass
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I like your style!
+1 An attitude we should all aspire to.
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DAKA
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Well here's my two pennies worth 
Having come from a sailing back ground on the East Coast and switched to power not really through choice but more as a way of keeping my wife interested.
First switch to power on the east coast and I didnt notice any problems between sail and power until I started to move south.
I then moved into the solent for holidays and the rudeness from some raggies was unbelievable, initially I assumed it was a joke.
Worst are the cheap moorings areas such as Yarmouth, the folly, lymington town quay, newton creek, cowes municipal moorings.
I started off being very considerate, slowing down through the submarine gap, 6 knots out of harbour entrances (well past bar beacon etc)
Would slow down past busy areas like cowes , but it takes about a year to realize its a mugs game and without a doubt you have a more enjoyable day out on the water at 25 knots deliberately not looking in the direction of any raggies in case they are one in 20 that shout/signal abuse.
After 3 years of abuse any remaining compassion has been completely knocked out of you and you start to understand why the inconsiderate mobos act in the way they do.
Why should they spoil their own day out, slow down and become a target for a complete stranger to hurtle abuse at them.
If you have an open top car would you drive through a ghetto slowly allowing thugs to spit at you or would you wind your window up and drive through at speed.
I accept it is only 1 in 20 that spit but do you want to risk it ?
Whats the answer, I have no idea but I do know that slowing down can be incredibly embarrassing if guests and young children are on board.
I start every journey with renewed enthusiasm to be considerate, and complete my cruise more often than not, feeling I have managed to achieve this.
the sort of incidents that tend to wind up........
tacking without warning in narrowish channels
Tacking in/out of harbours especially against the current.
Maintaining a course into our port wash while under power and then shaking heads at us, I never understand that
Having come from a sailing back ground on the East Coast and switched to power not really through choice but more as a way of keeping my wife interested.
First switch to power on the east coast and I didnt notice any problems between sail and power until I started to move south.
I then moved into the solent for holidays and the rudeness from some raggies was unbelievable, initially I assumed it was a joke.
Worst are the cheap moorings areas such as Yarmouth, the folly, lymington town quay, newton creek, cowes municipal moorings.
I started off being very considerate, slowing down through the submarine gap, 6 knots out of harbour entrances (well past bar beacon etc)
Would slow down past busy areas like cowes , but it takes about a year to realize its a mugs game and without a doubt you have a more enjoyable day out on the water at 25 knots deliberately not looking in the direction of any raggies in case they are one in 20 that shout/signal abuse.
After 3 years of abuse any remaining compassion has been completely knocked out of you and you start to understand why the inconsiderate mobos act in the way they do.
Why should they spoil their own day out, slow down and become a target for a complete stranger to hurtle abuse at them.
If you have an open top car would you drive through a ghetto slowly allowing thugs to spit at you or would you wind your window up and drive through at speed.
I accept it is only 1 in 20 that spit but do you want to risk it ?
Whats the answer, I have no idea but I do know that slowing down can be incredibly embarrassing if guests and young children are on board.
I start every journey with renewed enthusiasm to be considerate, and complete my cruise more often than not, feeling I have managed to achieve this.
the sort of incidents that tend to wind up........
tacking without warning in narrowish channels
Tacking in/out of harbours especially against the current.
Maintaining a course into our port wash while under power and then shaking heads at us, I never understand that
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Seajet
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Well here's my two pennies worth
Having come from a sailing back ground on the East Coast and switched to power not really through choice but more as a way of keeping my wife interested.
First switch to power on the east coast and I didnt notice any problems between sail and power until I started to move south.
I then moved into the solent for holidays and the rudeness from some raggies was unbelievable, initially I assumed it was a joke.
Worst are the cheap moorings areas such as Yarmouth, the folly, lymington town quay, newton creek, cowes municipal moorings.
I started off being very considerate, slowing down through the submarine gap, 6 knots out of harbour entrances (well past bar beacon etc)
Would slow down past busy areas like cowes , but it takes about a year to realize its a mugs game and without a doubt you have a more enjoyable day out on the water at 25 knots deliberately not looking in the direction of any raggies in case they are one in 20 that shout/signal abuse.
After 3 years of abuse any remaining compassion has been completely knocked out of you and you start to understand why the inconsiderate mobos act in the way they do.
Why should they spoil their own day out, slow down and become a target for a complete stranger to hurtle abuse at them.
If you have an open top car would you drive through a ghetto slowly allowing thugs to spit at you or would you wind your window up and drive through at speed.
I accept it is only 1 in 20 that spit but do you want to risk it ?
Whats the answer, I have no idea but I do know that slowing down can be incredibly embarrassing if guests and young children are on board.
I start every journey with renewed enthusiasm to be considerate, and complete my cruise more often than not, feeling I have managed to achieve this.
the sort of incidents that tend to wind up........
tacking without warning in narrowish channels
Tacking in/out of harbours especially against the current.
Maintaining a course into our port wash while under power and then shaking heads at us, I never understand that
DAKA,
I'm sorry you think as many as 1 in 20 sailors are rude, I'd hope that's a misconception as rude people make more of an impression than polite ones, sadly; BTW I find the term 'raggies' offensive.
I'd think a good clue when boats under sail are about to tack is when they reach the edge of a channel !
I agree anything other ought to be clearly signalled; it's hardly International Code but when pressed in close quarters situations I have been known to make eye contact with nearby boats and put an arm out in the manner of cyclists ( well not quite in their manner as I look first ! ).
I find your mention of being embarassed to be seen slowing down - ie being considerate - rather troubling...
DAKA
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Sorry about the raggie/stinker thing, just thought it was this forums term.
The embarrassment comes from hearing and seeing the abuse from the sailors , not the slowing down.
Once we have suffered an earful and tried to explain the 'signals' to guests and children you can be certain I will not make the same mistake when passing the next boat.
@ 25 knots a stinker can pass a sailing boat unawares, wave and smile and keep going everyone onboard the flybridge is happy, some on the sailing boat will have even waved back.
When you pass @ 7 knots, they seem to get ready with a lot of abusive comments and hand signals.
1 in 15 1 in 20 is about right, much worse in some areas.
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Chrusty 1
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Well I don't find the term "raggies" offensive at all, it's not as bad as some things I have been called!
Yep never understood quite what mobos mean when they sat "tacking without warning" but if a hand signal will suffice and prevent any confusion, then why not?
I think his mention of being "embarrased" meant that if he slowed down and copped an earful of abuse, it could be embarrassing?
I don't quite understand why raggies want mobos to slow down when passing them, meself, I would much sooner they stayed well up on the plane and got it over with, as long as they stay a decent distance off. Planing mobos create far more wash when half on the plane than they do at full ahead, a lot of them are not the best beasts to control at displacement speeds. So to all my mobo colleagues / partners in crime,
please pass me while you are on the plane proper if out at sea, and slow down to displacement speeds when passing moored / anchored boats, but please give me a wide berth if at all possible.I hereby promise I wont spit at you, or call you names, if you don't tip me on me ear with unnecessary wash. It might be worth mentioning that more than one raggie galley hand has been scolded because of wash kicked up whilst they have been anchored or moored.
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blueglass
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right with you daka -
I cruise habitually at 7 - 8 knots and get it in the neck frequently. I am a mobo therefore by definition it seems, I must be making unecessary wash. Also agree UK south coast about the worst.
Decent yachties, who in fairness seem to be present in some numbers on this thread, would I think be very surprised at the total over reaction exhibited by some of their less reasonable colleagues. A mere ripple can create a mouthful of abuse. I can't help but wonder what happens to these guys when a wave appears.
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Chrusty 1
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Firstly, a small point of order, you aint a mobo, you might be a Dalek, but I am pretty sure that even in this high tech super gizzmo world we all inhabit these days, that mobos don't type messages on keyboards
Anyway, moving swiftly on, I wouldn't be all that surprised, some of them even treat others of their kind with disdain and the occasional bit of abuse. Happily, hereabouts it is almost unheard of, from either mobos or raggies. I think somebody already mentioned about it being a south coast phenomenon, I think that in the main that is true, could be just that south coast sailors have more than their fair share of rude arrogant to$$ers, than we in the rest of the country?
I hope this thread runs and runs, because it just might get the message across to some of them to wind their necks in a bit. Sadly it's just a smallish forum, but any effect is better than none.
Seajet
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Chrusty 1 could be just that south coast sailors have more than their fair share of rude arrogant to$$ers said:Having sailed on Windermere well before the speed limit was introduced, and a lot of time in the Solent, I was going to say mobo's are much more considerate nowadays, and overall they are.
Despite the prat who carved us and other sailing boats up at Chichester entrance and the idiot in the Emsworth Channel planing in an 8 knot area this last Sunday, even my very mild mannered novice crew remarked " could he have got any closer ?! " with a degree of irony and distaste...
As for 'can sailing boats take the wash from occasional idiot power boats', yes we can easily, but we might have inexperienced or elderly people on board, so is it too much to ask people to obey the speed limits ?
I am NOT anti mobo, just anti inconsiderate prats from any genre.
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Chrusty 1
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Having sailed on Windermere well before the speed limit was introduced, and a lot of time in the Solent, I was going to say mobo's are much more considerate nowadays, and overall they are.
Despite the prat who carved us and other sailing boats up at Chichester entrance and the idiot in the Emsworth Channel planing in an 8 knot area this last Sunday, even my very mild mannered novice crew remarked " could he have got any closer ?! " with a degree of irony and distaste...
As for 'can sailing boats take the wash from occasional idiot power boats', yes we can easily, but we might have inexperienced or elderly people on board, so is it too much to ask people to obey the speed limits ?
I am NOT anti mobo, just anti inconsiderate prats from any genre.
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maby
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The problem is not large yachts - we can take their wash and far worse. It's the dinghies I feel sorry for - the Medway has a very active dinghy sailing community including many youngsters in Toppers and Oppies - it can be really frightening sometimes watching some large mobo charging through the pack.
