Ending the hostility - raggies v stinkies

[Chrusty 1]

what I am saying is that with common sense and courtesy, assuming both participants can control their boats, nobody should should have to be giving way to anybody. What is so hard about that.

Nothing very much really I was just saying in a light hearted way, that whilst it's very nice for folk to be courteous and nice to each other, and indeed try and exercise a modicum of common sense, that when it comes down to it, just about every scenario is covered in the "colregs", and if we obey them, we shouldn't be getting in any awkward situations.

I am fortunate where I sail, it is very quiet indeed, so most of the scenarios that folk talk of on these forums, (fora? sounds like margarine!) I never encounter from one year to the next, just very lucky I guess, anyway the upshot is much lower blood pressure!

 

[blueglass]

Correct, Para "B" That is what I was getting at, it's not a matter of common sense or courtesy, it's all there in the "colregs"

Common sense often prevails over slavish following of regulations in life generally doesn't it?. Does in my life anyway. A total pedant can end up right .....dead right.
For example when crossing traffic separation zones, I endeavour not to place myself in a situation where the approaching aircraft carrier has to avoid me if it easier to keep out of the way altogether.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Common sense often prevails over slavish following of regulations in life generally doesn't it?. Does in my life anyway. A total pedant can end up right .....dead right.
For example when crossing traffic separation zones, I endeavour not to place myself in a situation where the approaching aircraft carrier has to avoid me if it easier to keep out of the way altogether.

Yes I agree really, but you could end up in a situation whereby you think you are acting with common sense, then end up in the crapper, and if at the subsequent enquiry you are found to be in contravention of the "colregs", you are even more in the crapper! Yer can't bloody win sometimes can yer?

 

[blueglass]

Yes I agree really, but you could end up in a situation whereby you think you are acting with common sense, then end up in the crapper, and if at the subsequent enquiry you are found to be in contravention of the "colregs", you are even more in the crapper! Yer can't bloody win sometimes can yer?

that's life!

 

[AuntyRinum]

So are you saying that the sailing boat should give way to you because you are in a narrow channel? ...

Yes, it should if the other vessel is restricted in its ability to manoeuvre.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Yes, it should if the other vessel is restricted in its ability to manoeuvre.

You've not been following have you? Please may I refer you to posts 138 and 139.

 

[[2068]]

Yes I agree really, but you could end up in a situation whereby you think you are acting with common sense, then end up in the crapper, and if at the subsequent enquiry you are found to be in contravention of the "colregs", you are even more in the crapper! Yer can't bloody win sometimes can yer?

I should start by saying that I haven't had problems with Moths - they're usually going so fast that there's very little chance of me hitting one.

BUT

I am reliant on the Moth skipper having some common sense relating to the relative manouvreability of each craft. Flower Power weighs 4500kg and is restricted to a max speed of 8 kts in the harbour. At 6kts, I can crash stop, and I would do so (and have done so) to avoid a collision, but it would be better if the Moth skipper were to use his superior speed and agility to avoid that happening in the first place.

According to some on here, he could sit in irons, then wait for a passing motorboat to come within range on the Port bow. Power up to 15-18kts, then ram the powerboat.

Following a similar vein, I could lurk in a Marina until another vessel under power approached from Port. Power up, then ram them on their Starboard bow. Where does it say that collision regulations do not apply when exiting a marina?

Daft examples, maybe, but my point is that "common sense" is meant to be enshrined in Rule 2: "Nothing in these rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these rules ..."

Also Rule 0, which is "Don't hit anything else".

 

[timmygobang]

Sorry I don't have time to read all the posts...but to conclude is everything resolved now? are we all friends? or is this a futile thread with no middle or end?

but i must add.....(can't resist)
I don't remember being taught on my dayskipper to hate mobo's contrary to your opening post,but i do recall being bullied by a big power boat heading directly towards me at great speeds with my skipper telling me to hold my ground. Anyhow, he was a d*ck regardless of what mode of transport he was using, take him off a powerboat and put him on a pink tricycle and he will still be a d*ck. As an adult i understand that d*cks are everywhere and I've met them in all walks of life and on all modes of transport.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Sorry I don't have time to read all the posts...but to conclude is everything resolved now? are we all friends? or is this a futile thread with no middle or end?

but i must add.....(can't resist)
I don't remember being taught on my dayskipper to hate mobo's contrary to your opening post,but i do recall being bullied by a big power boat heading directly towards me at great speeds with my skipper telling me to hold my ground. Anyhow, he was a d*ck regardless of what mode of transport he was using, take him off a powerboat and put him on a pink tricycle and he will still be a d*ck. As an adult i understand that d*cks are everywhere and I've met them in all walks of life and on all modes of transport.

Like the dog Tim, give you half a crown for her?

 

[timmygobang]

Like the dog Tim, give you half a crown for her?

Sold! but im taking the chopping board

 

[maby]

Let's not make an issue of ColRegs - everyone should know them, everyone should obey them - and there are plenty of raggies who are guilty of ignoring them in the heat of a race - they are as much at fault as the mobos who flout them.

My problem with some mobos is their habit of ignoring the speed limit in confined spaces. In a narrow river or estuary in the summer months, it can get like Piccadily Circus in the rush hour - there are July Sunday mornings in the Medway when you could almost walk from one bank to the other jumping between boats. When they are packed so tightly, there is always a significant risk of collision - that's why there is an eight knot speed limit. When you've got dozens of eight foot dinghies doing three or four knots sharing a small area of water with mobos doing fifteen or twenty knots the risk of accident goes up and the seriousness of any accident becomes much greater.

 

[Chrusty 1]

Let's not make an issue of ColRegs - everyone should know them, everyone should obey them - and there are plenty of raggies who are guilty of ignoring them in the heat of a race - they are as much at fault as the mobos who flout them.

My problem with some mobos is their habit of ignoring the speed limit in confined spaces. In a narrow river or estuary in the summer months, it can get like Piccadily Circus in the rush hour - there are July Sunday mornings in the Medway when you could almost walk from one bank to the other jumping between boats. When they are packed so tightly, there is always a significant risk of collision - that's why there is an eight knot speed limit. When you've got dozens of eight foot dinghies doing three or four knots sharing a small area of water with mobos doing fifteen or twenty knots the risk of accident goes up and the seriousness of any accident becomes much greater.

I agree, best let that drop really, You have my sympathy, it sounds like a nightmare, glad I don't sail there!

Is the Medway not policed properly?

 

[maby]

I agree, best let that drop really, You have my sympathy, it sounds like a nightmare, glad I don't sail there!

Is the Medway not policed properly?

No, the Medway is very poorly policed. Last autumn I was working in the boat with the radio on monitoring Medway VTS. There were several complaints called in from small boats along the river reporting a mobo moving around the river with speeds estimated to be approaching 30 knots. One guy called in to ask if they could get the police along because he had been working on his beached yacht and had been knocked off his feet when he was hit by the wake. VTS got back to him commiserating and asking if he could get the name of the boat. But they said there was no point in trying to take immediate action because there were no patrol boats available that could approach those speeds. The police certainly do have a couple of fast boats, but you rarely see them on the water.

 

[DAKA]

No, the Medway is very poorly policed. Last autumn I was working in the boat with the radio on monitoring Medway VTS. There were several complaints called in from small boats along the river reporting a mobo moving around the river with speeds estimated to be approaching 30 knots. One guy called in to ask if they could get the police along because he had been working on his beached yacht and had been knocked off his feet when he was hit by the wake. VTS got back to him commiserating and asking if he could get the name of the boat. But they said there was no point in trying to take immediate action because there were no patrol boats available that could approach those speeds. The police certainly do have a couple of fast boats, but you rarely see them on the water.

Is that where Dylan filmed the 'Twasocks' sequence

Has anyone got a link to that ?

Side splitting comedy

 

[Chrusty 1]

No, the Medway is very poorly policed. Last autumn I was working in the boat with the radio on monitoring Medway VTS. There were several complaints called in from small boats along the river reporting a mobo moving around the river with speeds estimated to be approaching 30 knots. One guy called in to ask if they could get the police along because he had been working on his beached yacht and had been knocked off his feet when he was hit by the wake. VTS got back to him commiserating and asking if he could get the name of the boat. But they said there was no point in trying to take immediate action because there were no patrol boats available that could approach those speeds. The police certainly do have a couple of fast boats, but you rarely see them on the water.

It seems that the Medway needs to get serious like they have in Torbay, they have had this for some time......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYflnUAjf_w

Call sign Oscar 4, she is always patrolling about Torbay in the summer months. The Torbay Council have now partnered with the Police and she will be carrying Police Officers on board on a regular basis.

Even without the Police, they have been very effective in jumping on anti-social and dangerous behaviour from jetskis and power boats.