Elizabethan 29

[ghostlymoron]

A friend is considering buying an Elizabethan 29. It has a Yanmar GM10 engine 9hp. This seems a bit underpowered to me. Maybe he should factor the cost of a new engine in his calcs. Any thoughts?

 

[sailorman]

A firend is considering buying an Elizabethan 29. It has a Yanmar GM10 engine 9hp. This seems a bit underpowered to me. Maybe he should factor the cost of a new engine in his calcs. Any thoughts?

you have a yacht with an auxiliary engine
a new engine will cost £6k ish
if you want a bigger engine buy an AWB

 

[Poignard]

A firend is considering buying an Elizabethan 29. It has a Yanmar GM10 engine 9hp. This seems a bit underpowered to me. Maybe he should factor the cost of a new engine in his calcs. Any thoughts?

Kim Holman designed boats to sail and specified small engines to keep weight down. 9hp is probably more than she had when built, anyway.

If I were your friend I would try to get the price down on the grounds that she needed a bigger engine but, having then bought her, I would happily keep the existing one!

 

[NealB]

For some years, I owned a Solent based Halcyon 27 (very similar to the Liz 29 in many ways). She had the original 8hp Sabb, which we found perfectly adequate.

Our current boat is a 32 foot catamaran, with a 9.9 hp outboard. Again, it does what we want it to.

So...for me, assuming the Yanmar is in decent order, it would be madness to re-engine.

 

[doug748]

Should be ok if your mate enjoys sailing. They go to windward without fuss, so no need for the punching into the eye of the wind which is commonly seen.
I had a rated 12 hp (doubt it ever made more than 10 in it's life) unit on a 32 footer, of a similar type, it was fine.

 

[sailorman]

Kim Holman designed boats to sail and specified small engines to keep weight down. 9hp is probably more than she had when built, anyway.

If I were your friend I would try to get the price down on the grounds that she needed a bigger engine but, having then bought her, I would happily keep the existing one!

David Thomas

 

[Tranona]

David Thomas

No Kim Holman - completely different boat from the Thomas designed Elizabethans.

 

[Poignard]

Some information here that might interest your friend

http://www.eoa.org.uk/forms/Elizabethan29OwnersHandbook.pdf

 

[jwilson]

A friend is considering buying an Elizabethan 29. It has a Yanmar GM10 engine 9hp. This seems a bit underpowered to me. Maybe he should factor the cost of a new engine in his calcs. Any thoughts?

I used to have a smilar sized but slightly heavier long-keeler with a tired 7 hp Volvo. It seemed enough power for most purposes on a sailing yacht. If you think you need more buy one that someone else has already fitted a bigger engine.

 

[Burnham Bob]

Things have changed since the boat was built. Today we usually go for larger engines than those installed as auxiliaries. Before I retired I found that sailing time was limited and sometimes I had to be somewhere at a certain time regardless of the wind. Sometime motoring against a headwind was the only way to do it. Auxiliary engines can push you against a headwind but waves can almost stop you dead. My initial reaction is that the 1GM10 is too small for the Elizabethan 29 unless you have the time to wait for the tide and the wind to go where you want. (I can do that now I'm retired but still choose to motor or motor sail sometimes.)

As for weight, the yanmar is 76 kilos and a 14 hp beta is 87 kilos - just under two stone difference in old money - surely nothing significant for a 29 foot boat.

Upping the engine to a two cylinder nanni or beta would make for much more in the way of crusing options. The cost of the new engine depends on how much you can salvage from the old installation. And of course whether you can fit it yourself. With the boat show coming up you might get a 'boat show deal'.

 

[rudolph_hart]

No Kim Holman - completely different boat from the Thomas designed Elizabethans.

+1

and, IIRC, it preceded the Thomas designed Liz's too