st599
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Mid-April is the date given for all entry and exit to be under the new scheme
EES when arriving by boat?
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lustyd
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Officially it’s fingerprint or photo to verify identity but both must be taken on “first” entry. First entry will in practice be the first time they can get you done.
It is what’s happening at the moment, perhaps just not to you. Schengen is a big place with lots of points of entry, you will not have much experience in the grand scheme of things so may be done down the definitive statements.
st599
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Looking again at the tech spec, there's a wish to emulated the US app system too at an undefined future date.
That may be useful if it's rolled out. Main issue seems to be though that the Member States are in charge of the terminals and the EU the data interface, interrogation and storage. Hopefully it won't be 1 app per state.
That may be useful if it's rolled out. Main issue seems to be though that the Member States are in charge of the terminals and the EU the data interface, interrogation and storage. Hopefully it won't be 1 app per state.
st599
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ROFL
Okay, the EU EES website, the French government website and the EES technical specification must all be wrong then.
lustyd
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That link said nothing other than what data is collected. If you have a link actually saying otherwise please do post it.
Our government advises either or on subsequent visits.
EU Entry/Exit System.
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st599
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Both the EU website say face AND fingerprints are verified on entry and exit.
The tech spec requires a finger print scanner
lustyd
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st599
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Nope, they all require a finger print scanner.
From the Frontex Technical Guide for Border Checks on Entry/Exit System (EES) related equipment.
in the document it lists the requirements for each type of border unit.
Self Service system:
Biometric capture devices: facial capture system and fingerprint scanner.
An automated border post consists of an SSS followed by an e-gate (either combined or separate)
Temporary equipment:
Fingerprint scanner (integrated or connected through USB cable or Bluetooth/Wi-Fi
connection) RECOMMENDED is a 4-4-2 fingerprint scanner, minimum is a single finger
scanner.
Portable equipment
MUST support as a minimum a single Fingerprint scanner connected through USB cable or Bluetooth/Wi-Fi connection. Software MUST check uniqueness of all fingerprints
captured and perform an automatic quality check.
It also seems to say every transaction with the central EES system requires a fingerprint image to be present in the data, although the central system may decide a check is not needed.
lustyd
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You’re reading things that are not there.
First entry requires collection of both, so yes devices will need to be able to collect both. That doesn’t imply anything about subsequent crossings.
First entry requires collection of both, so yes devices will need to be able to collect both. That doesn’t imply anything about subsequent crossings.
st599
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No, I'm quoting the technical requirements document from the EU border agency.
Another example
A fingerprint image with compression algorithm WSQ (ISO/IEC 19794-4:2011 from
500 ppi) or JPEG 2000 (ISO/IEC 15444-1 from 1000 ppi) is MANDATORY for all trans-
actions to the CS-EES.
So to send a transaction to the EES central system (CS-EES) it's mandatory to include a fingerprint image.
lustyd
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Yes you’re quoting technical requirements for hardware. This has nothing to do with entry procedures. As I said, you’re reading things that aren’t there.
John_Silver
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I’m in the Wandsworth French visa centre, sorting out a VLS-T. Just asked whether that biometric visa is sufficient for entry, or if a separate ETIAS registration is required. After much debate and input from numerous desk staff, no one knows! Although, as usual, there was a great willingness to help.
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lustyd
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I got a definite no in London in December. The French visa is stored in the French system which will not be synced up. Annoying but understandable.
st599
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The hardware used for entry procedures. As the document says, the hardware must send a fingerprint when it sends a transaction to the central service. So how can you have an entry procedure with no fingerprint if the fingerprint image is required to be sent as part of the entry procedure interaction with the EES service?
DJE
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I don't know if this helps, but when we arrived in Norway in December (at Oslo airport) everyone had face and fingerprint scans taken. When we left some had face scans only and some had fingerprint scans only.
seeSimon
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In and out of Bulgaria 5 days apart last week, Not by boat (Ryan air, unfortunately) same airport.
Both on UK biometric passports, in old redish EU format.
Long delays, and a rather unpleasant attitude...photos and fingerprints in both directions. Many passengers getting a hard time from officials, including examination of some biometric passports with magnifying glasses.
Bulgaria now on the Euro, as well as schengen etc...prices of much stuff now higher than UK, but local foods and drinks still good value.
Consequently, probably Turkey or Morocco for us next year, probably?
We've done Bulgaria several times over the years and always enjoyed it.
Both on UK biometric passports, in old redish EU format.
Long delays, and a rather unpleasant attitude...photos and fingerprints in both directions. Many passengers getting a hard time from officials, including examination of some biometric passports with magnifying glasses.
Bulgaria now on the Euro, as well as schengen etc...prices of much stuff now higher than UK, but local foods and drinks still good value.
Consequently, probably Turkey or Morocco for us next year, probably?
We've done Bulgaria several times over the years and always enjoyed it.
wonkywinch
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Off to Rome in a couple of weeks (BA not BoAt) so downloaded the EES app as I saw it becomes fully operational next week. The app says it currently only set up for Sweden and Portugal.
European Union - EES / ETIAS
European Union - EES / ETIAS
John_Silver
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Will be putting the boat arrival aspect, for France, to the test around the 14th of April. Which is when my Long Stay visa starts. Although I’m wondering if I can go in earlier on my 90/180 standard visa free allowance. Has anyone tried that? Googling throws up contradictory advice!
Slightly academic for now. Have put into Dover to let the Bank Holiday weather blow itself out.
Slightly academic for now. Have put into Dover to let the Bank Holiday weather blow itself out.
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lustyd
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Yes you can use Schengen before and after, and during if you leave France internally. The visa does not affect Schengen clock aside from French days not counting.
You are and will be responsible for keeping track if you pop over the border to Spain or somewhere as the EES will not be able to since you won’t go through border control (obviously).
We got our 6 month visa starting 1st April and later realised June/July would have been better to get a full year
You are and will be responsible for keeping track if you pop over the border to Spain or somewhere as the EES will not be able to since you won’t go through border control (obviously).
We got our 6 month visa starting 1st April and later realised June/July would have been better to get a full year
John_Silver
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Well, that’s very welcome news. Thank You. Do you know of an original source stating this? In case I need to persuade the desk officer in Dieppe by producing something authoritative looking…..
Most years, I suspect that, the visa pages get overlooked. Because I’m often challenged, about an ‘overstay,’ on departure. And have to point out the visa hidden in the back pages of my passport. Unfortunately this year the visa is up front, opposite the next available blank page for stamping. So it is more likely to catch the eye.
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