Dutch B0 diesel

[Gryphon2]

Currently in Holland and was just given a choice of ordinary diesel or B0 diesel. The chap sold the B0 stuff to me on the basis it was greener, less smelly and does not promote bugs. It was also about 10 % more expensive Anyone tell me more about the stuff and whether his claims are accurate?

 

[thalassa]

What is GTL Fuel? | GTL vs Diesel & HVO Guide | Your NRG

Lots of postings on Dutch forums. The debate over suitability in old engines has been dragging on for a few years.
Haven't got experience with it; both types, GTL and HVO more difficult to obtain in the South of The Netherlands.

 

[Refueler]

As a Fuels guy - I'm trying to understand the question ...

B0 Diesel is in laymans terms - diesel with no bio addition. In fact it can have - but once hits 5% - it must be labelled B5.

If it is B0 diesel - then sales person was talking rubbish.

OK - Post #2 .... what has GTL got to do with B0 diesel ? GTL creates a high parafinic - high cetane fuel usable in diesel engines. It is not diesel.

 

[thalassa]

In Zeeland, a marine bulk supplier told me they denominated diesel without added Bio as 'B0', and deemed it safer for the dreaded bug. However he promoted the GTL he sold as well as the preferred 'green no-smell' alternative. AFAIK his B0 was just as smelly as B10. So, perhaps the OP had a similar explanation.

 

[BabaYaga]

As noted above, B0 would be pure fossil diesel with no bio component. However, ’bio diesel’ slightly mispronounced might have been heard as ’BO diesel’? Or was it ’B zero’?

 

[Refueler]

In Zeeland, a marine bulk supplier told me they denominated diesel without added Bio as 'B0', and deemed it safer for the dreaded bug. However he promoted the GTL he sold as well as the preferred 'green no-smell' alternative. AFAIK his B0 was just as smelly as B10. So, perhaps the OP had a similar explanation.

Bug is present in all Hydrocarbon based Diesel ... adding Bio is not the reason Bug is there or lives to multiply. Guy is talking crap.

GTL is an excellent fuel - BUT beware if you have an older worn engine ... it is one of the best 'cleaners' you could put through your engine ... where traditional fuel has powered well - engine keeping its 'crud' ... GTL will clean out all that crud ...

There is a good reason why GTL is not widespread ... 1. Price ... 2. It does not accept winterisation additives easily due to the high parfinnic content.

1. Price : Limited production means costs. Transportation distances mean costs.

2. Additives : We have spent many months getting round the problems of adding to GTL .. and only reliable way was to treat regular GasOil first to an overdose situation .. example (figs are just illustrative - not actual) lets say you want a Diesel fuel for -16C spec (usual Europe winter). If the diesel is going to have GTL blended in - then that first diesel will often be dosed to meet -20C .. then GTL added .. (Standard GTL has a CFPP of about -9C ... with specialised production - this can be reduced as far as -20C - but this is unusual and not cost effective).

The fact is - there is a lot of crap put out by dealers / sellers ...

 

[Refueler]

As noted above, B0 would be pure fossil diesel with no bio component. However, ’bio diesel’ slightly mispronounced might have been heard as ’BO diesel’? Or was it ’B zero’?

I will repeat again ...

B 'zero' can be from zero to 4.9999% bio addition. The classes are usually (some markets may call for intermediate ratings) :

B0 B5 B7 B10 etc. The number denoting the 'primary starting %' of bio added ... note word STARTING ...

 

[Gryphon2]

OK I am slightly enlightened. The guy didn't say it was diesel as such so I believe it was the GTL stuff and B zero. Is it available in the UK? My wife likes the no smell and possible greenercredentials.

 

[BabaYaga]

I will repeat again ...

B 'zero' can be from zero to 4.9999% bio addition. The classes are usually (some markets may call for intermediate ratings) :

B0 B5 B7 B10 etc. The number denoting the 'primary starting %' of bio added ... note word STARTING ...

In the only market I am familiar with, the number denotes the maximum percentage of bio content.
Be as it may….that was not the point of my post.

 

[Gryphon2]

I have done some further research and I believe it was Neste My which is an HVO fuel. My newish engine seems very happy.

 

[BabaYaga]

I have done some further research and I believe it was Neste My which is an HVO fuel. My newish engine seems very happy.

FWIW, I have been running my 18 years old Beta engine on HVO the last three seasons without any problems.

 

[Refueler]

In the only market I am familiar with, the number denotes the maximum percentage of bio content.
Be as it may….that was not the point of my post.

Well I'll ignore the fact I blended the shit for markets then .....

 

[BabaYaga]

Well I'll ignore the fact I blended the shit for markets then .....

"...B7 is currently the maximum blend permitted by the Fuel Quality Directive for sale across the EU, although in this case B7 indicates a maximum FAME content of 7%".

From here:

About biodiesel - European Biodiesel Board (EBB).

 

[Refueler]

"...B7 is currently the maximum blend permitted by the Fuel Quality Directive for sale across the EU, although in this case B7 indicates a maximum FAME content of 7%".

From here:

About biodiesel - European Biodiesel Board (EBB).

What is written and what is actual ...

Example - According to Estonian Specs it was impossible to have Diesel on spec .... certain distllation points were wrongly stated ...

I knew someone would quote a 'paper' ..... wonder how many realise that bio specs deadlines have NEVER been met as dictated by EU ?

As I said - I blended the shit for many years ... I was not dreaming I did it !!