Dual passport holders

[Graham376]

If people are not prepared to understand the system you can't blame the system.
Rule of thumb..its easy..your passport must be valid 9 years and six months from the date of issue to to the date of your return booking...simple innit

Ok but I rocked up to Ryanair check in and my bloody phone went dead (battery fault at that moment) so couldn't retrieve info.
Now all I needed was a supply to connect my phone and it would work but battery wouldn't retain charge...there was a point behind the check-in desk, would they let me use it ..No!! So I had to go and find a power outlet, eventually another airline check-in desk understood my problem,allowed me to use my phone to transfer the info to my (charged up)tablet
Go back to the end of the check-in queue.

We followed a guy who couldn't get through the gate to security due to flat battery. They charged him IIRC £60 to print a ticket. Previously with Ryanair, the DIY baggage scales accepted bar codes on printed tickets but the ones at Lisbon now only read QR codes on phones so we had to wait in the check-in queue. From what I've read so far, they're planning on doing away with check-in desks as well.

 

[billskip]

We followed a guy who couldn't get through the gate to security due to flat battery. They charged him IIRC £60 to print a ticket. Previously with Ryanair, the DIY baggage scales accepted bar codes on printed tickets but the ones at Manchester now only read QR codes on phones so we had to wait in the check-in queue. From what I've read so far, they're planning on doing away with check-in desks as well.

Yes unfortunately sometimes it goes tits up and your device let's you down, but that's not the providers fault, and the provider is offering most economic transport because it doesn't accept any external problems, ok you could say thay are downright unreasonable, ok go elsewhere, but people don't.
My phone was fully charged when I left home, un used when I arrived at check-in I opened it an after about 10 sec went dead. Fortunately I'm one for being early, but had I been of the nature to leave everything late and inconvenience the other 200 od passengers, I could have missed the flight

 

[ingenious]

Ryanair's case, no printed boarding passes allowed from later this year, smartphones only.

Yes, Ryanair are a PITA with their cost cutting rules, unfortunately they are the easiest for me to get to the various places I have been going and will be going for the next few years so I recently joined Ryanair prime.
I travel with 2 phones.

 

[servus]

In general one can see that only people "who have an address" are subjectible to what I call bureaucratic harassment.
Long ago we, the populace, should have gotten rid of politicians and administrators who only invent rules, restrictions and the fines for not playing according to these arbitrary rules.
As we can see in reality the advertised purposes of all these regulations are never achieved. Money laundering, mass migration, drug traficking, trade in human lives or spareparts, international criminality ... are not stopped by our lawmakers, they rather choose to be on the profiting side and exempt themselves from these artificial pains.

This whole identification craze started in the late 19th century and got its final blessing for allmighty surveillance after the 2001 office tower incident.
Since then I have been wondering who are the terrorists and who is being terrorized; and for who's benefit.

This might appear to be off topic, but if something has developped into a maze of beaurocratic snares, I guess it is legitimate to ask where and for which purpose it started.
In the UK you buy a boat and go sailing. You cause damage - you will be kept responsible. Compare this to the djungle of "patents" and certificates that other countries demand. Does this practice make the holder of the A, B, C, whatever paper a more competent sailor?

But for travelling from A to B, for this "privilege" we need a special document.
We have come far, even without travelling.

 

[Fr J Hackett]

In general one can see that only people "who have an address" are subjectible to what I call bureaucratic harassment.
Long ago we, the populace, should have gotten rid of politicians and administrators who only invent rules, restrictions and the fines for not playing according to these arbitrary rules.
As we can see in reality the advertised purposes of all these regulations are never achieved. Money laundering, mass migration, drug traficking, trade in human lives or spareparts, international criminality ... are not stopped by our lawmakers, they rather choose to be on the profiting side and exempt themselves from these artificial pains.

And without them and other basic laws and regulations where would the majority be?

 

[servus]

And without them and other basic laws and regulations where would the majority be?

An easy answer would be: "Look at where the majority is WITH them. But I do not want to win a contest of arguments.

"With the basic laws I wholeheartedly agree.
The EU e.g. has close to 40.000 internal rules for the traffic of goods and persons...
I think we could do with less.
Less rules, less laws, less regulations. this is all I ask for.

Let us remember that some few thousand years ago we started out with TEN rules; and they covered pretty much everything.

I wanted to direct the thoughts rather to: "how can we make life easier" not "how can we regulate everything". The question is though: "Do the lawmakers and self declared political leaders really want to act for the benefit of the people?"
If you get f@rked around at a border post about stamps, or at the airport about some other petty crap, I get the impression it is to establish and maintain a preparednes for submission. And it helps to divide the people into those who can legally harass you and those who have to swallow the crap.

Obviously the original subject is how to find a narrow and winding path through this obstacle course without manouvering yourself into a cul de sac.
I say: let us get rid of the obstacle course, or at least let us work towards a simplification.
We the ones who are subject to these random rules are the sovereign. We care and we are suffering.

Those who do not give a shyte have it much easier.
But I do not want to hijack this fred.

 

[billskip]

Less rules, less laws, less regulations

Equals less revenue.....

 

[servus]

Equals less revenue.....

For whom?
The state?
I think they take more than enough given their diligence and economical sense when spending the funds.
Any private person would sit in gaol for such behaviour.

 

[billskip]

For whom?
The state?
I think they take more than enough given their diligence and economical sense when spending the funds.
Any private person would sit in gaol for such behaviour.

For whom?

For them, most rules/laws/ regulations are geared towards some sort of tax.

However this is d different subject and if allowed should be a new thread imo.

 

[newtothis]

Less rules, less laws, less regulations. this is all I ask for.

Can we keep the rules of grammar.
Fewer rules, fewer laws, fewer regulations; this is all I ask for.

 

[billskip]

Can we keep the rules of grammar.
Fewer rules, fewer laws, fewer regulations; this is all I ask for.

You're new to this aren't you..

 

[servus]

Can we keep the rules of grammar.
Fewer rules, fewer laws, fewer regulations; this is all I ask for.

You make my day.
I bet you clean the bilge of your boat with a vacuum cleaner.

 

[newtothis]

You make my day.
I bet you clean the bilge of your boat with a vacuum cleaner.

You make mine.
I bet you reply to posts with non sequiturs.

 

[AndersG]

Rule of thumb..its easy..your passport must be valid 9 years and six months from the date of issue to to the date of your return booking...simple innit

That's wrong if you're going to the EU.
Your passport must have been issued less than 10 years before the day you arrive in the EU and it must be valid for three months after your expected date of leaving the EU. The valid until date is what it says in the passport and there's no 10 year rule for it.

 

[billskip]

That's wrong if you're going to the EU.
Your passport must have been issued less than 10 years before the day you arrive in the EU

Huh?of course it must, doubt any carrier would accept you boarding let alone arriving.
Anyone with a passport trying to travel with an expiry within 48 hours must be nuts unless it's to return to the issuing country.

I said 6 months because it varies between 3 and six months so if its 6 months you are secure.

As said rule of thumb passport valid 9 years and 6 months from date of issue to date of return, is inside the majority if not all boarder controls. There is an exception
That allows "Transit" but I would advise caution in some countries, Turkey being one.

 

[Laser310]

This, I think, is the key point. Airlines, especially, are going to require proof of right to visit the country in question. No matter what might work at the border, it will be what the airline accepts that counts.

I have US and British passports

A while back, when leaving the US for Britain, I presented my British passport to the airline at check in. I always use that one when I enter Britain, and this time I had put that passport in the reservation when checking in online.

The person at the airline counter then asked me for my Green Card - a card that permits a non-citizen to live and work in the USA. I, of course, don't need one, and don't have one.

I had indicated a US address when buying the ticket...

I also had my US passport, so they permitted me to board the flight after changing the passport info on their passenger manifest.

Now, I always leave the US on my American passport, and I always enter Britain (and some other countries) on my British passport.

It has never been an issue anywhere that the passport i go through immigration with did not match the one I entered online when checking in for the flight.

 

[billskip]

Airlines are only interested in what gets on their aircraft gets off at the other end and proceeds to stateside.