Graham376
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No problem entering UK on an EU passport but you'll be charged £10 for ETA.
EU citizens travelling to the UK without visa will need an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA)
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EU citizens travelling to the UK without visa will need an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA)
westernman
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But he is a UK citizen. We don't require ETA to travel to the UK.
The question is, if we do travel to the UK we have to present a UK passport if we don't have an ETA attached to our EU passport?
I.e. does the passport establish rights or identity?
Fr J Hackett
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Maybe I could just pressnt my birth certificate to the passport control person. An interesting question though how in these days does one prove ones identity and access those rights that go with it?
westernman
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I think border control expect a passport or an official identity document from the country you are entering.
Long before Shengen, I crossed the border with a team of French rowers by train from Italy to France. One of our team members did not have his id card or passport with him. The immigration officer on the train gave him a good bollocking but accepted his driving license and did not deport him back to Italy (like he said he had to).
Graham376
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Unfortunately (in my opinion) we UK citizens don't have UK ID cards to prove identity and citizenship. Without a UK passport, how does anyone prove to airlines they don't need ETA to be allowed to board and then prove to UK border control they're a citizen?
Airline staff will refuse boarding if they suspect there may be a problem.
newtothis
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Going out to NZ recently, despite being a NZ passport hoder, I had to prove I had my passport with me to board the plane. My airline account had the advanced passenger information for my UK passport when I booked, and despite this being changed after I had booked, I still had to prove I didn't need a visa. Same on the way back, despite changing my passenger information back to my UK passport.
So despite being a UK citizen, you still have to prove you are.
billskip
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The UK should have compulsory ID cards.
It will help in many ways imho.
ingenious
RIP
Agree, I was reading an article in one of the French papers about the refuge crisis and so many of the non- genuine ones are being smuggled to UK as the ID and employment laws are so lax, it is easy to work illegally without being caught.
colind3782
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I always have my UK and Irish passports with me, carried separately. It's nice to get in the EU queue at passport control entering Spain and vice versa entering the UK. Border guards can be a bit odd, depending on where you go. Some years ago, a friend was held at US immigration despite being a US citizen with her US passport. Their excuse was that she didn't have much cash on her. Both her and her husband are millionaires but it took a while before they would let her in!
billskip
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I take my hat off to those that want to work..
It's the ones that want to exploit the system and have multiple social security ID's that needs controlling.
syvictoria
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I wonder if a UK driving licence might be even more acceptable, having photo, address and being less than 10 years old? I hope so, as I really wasn't planning on renewing my UK passport again when it expires. (It's a very small protest vote, but you've got to take your wins where you can get them!!!)
If/when anyone tries any of these suggestions, please do report back!
syvictoria
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syvictoria
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So, after doing a bit more reading, it seems that the alternative to a British passport is a "Certificate of entitlement" which costs a mere £589... OMG! How I love being British! £589 just to get home if I choose not to carry a British passport! 
Edited to add: Oh, and BTW, it takes about 8 weeks to obtain a cert of entitlement in to boot. At £589, one might reasonably expect an express service, no?!!!
Prove you have right of abode in the UK
Edited to add: Oh, and BTW, it takes about 8 weeks to obtain a cert of entitlement in to boot. At £589, one might reasonably expect an express service, no?!!!
Prove you have right of abode in the UK
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billskip
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With responsibility directed at the transport industry (airline, train,ferry) I believe the initial purchase of the ticket requirements are a guide to what will be acceptable to immigration/ boarder force.
If a transport company cannot off load is cargo (people) they are responsible for their (the people) wellbeing and most probably have to take them back.
If a transport company cannot off load is cargo (people) they are responsible for their (the people) wellbeing and most probably have to take them back.
billskip
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I think you will find it costing more to buy a place on a rubber boat....So, after doing a bit more reading, it seems that the alternative to a British passport is a "Certificate of entitlement" which costs a mere £589... OMG! How I love being British! £589 just to get home if I choose not to carry a British passport!
Slowly but surely it will get tighter for those "working the system " living abroad and claiming residents in UK
syvictoria
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This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of this thread. Please don't degrade it.
newtothis
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This, I think, is the key point. Airlines, especially, are going to require proof of right to visit the country in question. No matter what might work at the border, it will be what the airline accepts that counts.
billskip
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Your the one degrading the system/ thread/being British
Graham376
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I see chaos ahead. Gate staff in many cases have refused boarding to many people by misinterpreting the passport validity rules and ruining holidays. Now add to that the ETA and ETIAS rules and in Ryanair's case, no printed boarding passes allowed from later this year, smartphones only.
billskip
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If people are not prepared to understand the system you can't blame the system.
Rule of thumb..its easy..your passport must be valid 9 years and six months from the date of issue to to the date of your return booking...simple innit
Ok but I rocked up to Ryanair check in and my bloody phone went dead (battery fault at that moment) so couldn't retrieve info.
Now all I needed was a supply to connect my phone and it would work but battery wouldn't retain charge...there was a point behind the check-in desk, would they let me use it ..No!! So I had to go and find a power outlet, eventually another airline check-in desk understood my problem,allowed me to use my phone to transfer the info to my (charged up)tablet
Go back to the end of the check-in queue.
