Does anyone have any idea what this is, please?
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Poignard
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I'm afraid I don't know but she has a nice shapely hull and would look good on the water.
I hope somebody saves her, and why not you?
[Just had a thought. If you can gain access to the inside of the transom, armed with a torch, you might find a builder's nameplate there which may give you a clue.]
Tiger Moth
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Thank you, that's a good idea, I'll brave the foot of water in her and have a look. As a matter of curiosity, is it usually on the inside of the transom, regardless of manufacturer?I'm afraid I don't know but she has a nice shapely hull and would look good on the water.
I hope somebody saves her, and why not you?
[Just had a thought. If you can gain access to the inside of the transom, armed with a torch, you might find a builder's nameplate there which may give you a clue.]
Poignard
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Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say usually, but often.
Tranona
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That comes from an age here there were no requirements to have any form of identification. There was a booming cottage industry turning out boats in small quantities and often just building a few boats before disappearing.
In a sense it does not matter now what it is. The important thing from a "project" point of view is whether everything is there and potentially salvageable. It looks like it has an inboard engine - if that is shot then forget it. Equally look for a complete rig, mast sails and rigging. Abandoned project boats gobble time and money and are rarely worth saving as you can buy fully functioning boats that can be "used and improved" for less than trying to get an unknown quantity back into use.
In a sense it does not matter now what it is. The important thing from a "project" point of view is whether everything is there and potentially salvageable. It looks like it has an inboard engine - if that is shot then forget it. Equally look for a complete rig, mast sails and rigging. Abandoned project boats gobble time and money and are rarely worth saving as you can buy fully functioning boats that can be "used and improved" for less than trying to get an unknown quantity back into use.
SP2
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Cinder 22?
MoodySabre
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I have some friends with a project Westerly Consort for sale on the East coast. They fitted a lifeboat engine a couple of years ago but it needs some tinkering. Usual droopy headlining. They didn’t use it for a couple of years and they got overwhelmed By the job list. They’ve bought another boat.
Simonpk
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I think SP2 is right
Stemar
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If there's a foot of water inside, an inboard engine is very unlikely to be functional but, while an inboard is preferable for many reasons, a 22 footer would go along very nicely under a 4HP OB and fitting one shouldn't break the bank. I'd want a mast and boom in decent condition, plus a working furler for the jib. Sails would be a bonus, but they can be found second hand.
One thing to consider with projects is that you won't save money by buying one. Very often they end up costing more than a boat that you can sail while you're fettling (all boats need fettling, even new ones) The advantages of a project is that you can spread the cost out and that you'll know your boat inside out when you're done.
One final thought. Does she have a long keel? While a bilge keeler may not sail as well, they tend to have shallower draft, which has advantages on the east coast, and a suitable mooring might be easier to find and cheaper.
One thing to consider with projects is that you won't save money by buying one. Very often they end up costing more than a boat that you can sail while you're fettling (all boats need fettling, even new ones) The advantages of a project is that you can spread the cost out and that you'll know your boat inside out when you're done.
One final thought. Does she have a long keel? While a bilge keeler may not sail as well, they tend to have shallower draft, which has advantages on the east coast, and a suitable mooring might be easier to find and cheaper.
Tiger Moth
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Yup, that's what she is. Thank you very much.
DanTribe
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Yes, I thought Cinder 22. The windows aren't quite right but certainly looks similiar.
The hulls were built by Tyler, so may have been a one off completion?
Wansworth
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Was it not a van de stat design
DanTribe
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Have a look at SailboatData.com / Cinder 22. Good bit of info there.
LittleSister
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Hoskyn's Yacht Directories 'Good Yacht Guide' says -
Cinder (also Tyler Cinder)
21' 6" x 7' x 3' 3" (long keel)
4 berths
Inboard diesel or petrol
Chunky trad. long keel cruiser with pleasing lines and reasonable simple accommodation
Tyler weren't the only builders, so the windows may have been those of another yard.
Cinder (also Tyler Cinder)
21' 6" x 7' x 3' 3" (long keel)
4 berths
Inboard diesel or petrol
Chunky trad. long keel cruiser with pleasing lines and reasonable simple accommodation
Tyler weren't the only builders, so the windows may have been those of another yard.
LittleSister
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A foot of water in the bilge of a long keeler is most unlikely to drown the engine. If the foot of water is above the cockpit floorboards then that's another matter. But the OP might well mean a foot of water in the cockpit, which can easily happen when leaves block the cockpit drains.
LittleSister
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I think they're quite handsome boats. I was vaguely interested in one years ago. That was on the East Coast, too, so maybe the very same boat.
Good luck with your investigations.
Good luck with your investigations.
Wansworth
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Yes I looked at them years ago as well,how time flies
Daydream believer
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Is there a boat that you have NOT looked at?Yes I looked at them years ago as well,how time flies
Wansworth
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That was a good Fifteen years ago when my quest ended with an Albin VegaIs there a boat that you have NOT looked at?
Tiger Moth
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Thank you all for your comments. We've bought wrecks before, spent large amounts of money and then had many trouble-free years of use as everything has been done. It's a policy that has worked well for us.
My major concern is if the structural bulkheads have been soaked into submission, that's what would kill it for me. As for the diesel, if it turns over it can be rebuilt with new gaskets, etc., the cockpit appears to have a removable bathtub/sole to give excellent access to the prop shaft and stern gland so there's an achievable engineering exercise I'd enjoy.
The boat even has a trailer, although I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. When fixed then it provides free winter storage.
All I have to do then, to get the investment back, is sail the daylights out of it!
My major concern is if the structural bulkheads have been soaked into submission, that's what would kill it for me. As for the diesel, if it turns over it can be rebuilt with new gaskets, etc., the cockpit appears to have a removable bathtub/sole to give excellent access to the prop shaft and stern gland so there's an achievable engineering exercise I'd enjoy.
The boat even has a trailer, although I wouldn't trust it as far as I could throw it. When fixed then it provides free winter storage.
All I have to do then, to get the investment back, is sail the daylights out of it!
