Do you really mean all that? My response to the "Why did Arny" thread

[chanelyacht]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thread

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That's a fatuous statement. I'm quite sure that many forumites contribute heavily to charities and good causes but don't want to make a song and dance about it

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You miss my point.

I'm asking those who are slagging off Arny's efforts to justify what they do, rather than carping about others - I'm sure loads of people here do charitable things, but manage to do them without having a go at others' efforts.

 

[hlb]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thread

Lets have this straight. No one was slagging Arny off till Arny started slagging us lot off, particularly me, for saying that you have to go when the weather is good. A contentious issue if ever there was one. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I also look a bit of a soft twat for paying for my trip from Plymouth to Conwy myself instead of letting other folk pay for my privilege

 

[SP2]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thread

Well we are a small business - the directors both sail and have standing orders to the RNLI. One of our clients is a lifeboat man of some distinction. When DEFRA introduce the right to access the coast (our business is in public access to land) we will have a business interest next to the sea. However we choose to sponsor an animal sanctuary despite only having a smelly dog.

I think that if you are looking mainly at the people who post on this forum for sponsorship of such a venture then you have to be very careful with how you deal with what you perceive as adverse posts - the response to hlb being a case in point.

We have a link on our website to our sponsored charity - the people we deal with are mainly high net worth individuals. We suggest that where we give free advice to people that assists them they might like to make a small donation to the charity. I am sure they could all afford £20. We rarely see £100 all year from this source. But it all helps.

Whatever the size of your business or personal finances, IMHO decisions even over spending £200 are not taken lightly on the basis of what I have seen.

I hope the sponsorship issues do not detract from Paul's efforts. I am sure it is daunting enough.

 

[Talbot]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thread

1 leg with all that additional work is more than enough to earn respect from most. The prospect of doing it for every leg must have been truly daunting.


Respect.

 

[Observer]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

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That's a fatuous statement. I'm quite sure that many forumites contribute heavily to charities and good causes but don't want to make a song and dance about it

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My favourite charity used to be HMRC but I'm sorry to say I've stopped supporting them /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I s'pose that means you've joined the 'non-dom' gravy train then. All of the benefits of UK domicile without the costs. Harrumph.

 

[Magnum]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

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I s'pose that means you've joined the 'non-dom' gravy train then. All of the benefits of UK domicile without the costs. Harrumph.

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Struggling to think of any benefits in me having UK domicile right now. Maybe I've missed something so please do tell.

 

[breezer5012]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thread

Can we please just stop bickering about all of this?! This thread was so positive. We all have our different views and surely by now they have all been covered in this and related threads. Those that support Arny, great, those that don't have every right not to. Views have been aired and we can go over and over and over this for weeks now and not get any further. More importantly, it won't do any good or help anyone.

Even forgetting the effect it has or Arny and any others on these threads who feel 'got at', maybe we should bear in mind that Paul's wife has enough to worry about without being upset by bickering over what her husband is or isn't doing. There have been many useful and interesting points, but posts on this topic often seem to descend into playground bickering (sorry for the term, but I can't think of any other way to describe it). As a friend I find it tiring and upsetting, so heavens knows how Paul's wife feels.

 

[Observer]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thread

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Can we please just stop bickering about all of this?!

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Where's the bickering? Out of 46 posts on this thread, 24 are generally or strongly supportive of Arny, 17 are neutral or not really relevant and 3 are slightly negative or sceptical. Hmm, that's 44 in total, must have missed a couple.

What's the beef? All I'm reading is conversation.

 

[SnaxMuppet]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

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Lets have this straight. No one was slagging Arny off till Arny started slagging us lot off, particularly me, for saying that you have to go when the weather is good. A contentious issue if ever there was one. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[/ QUOTE ]My issue was not with taking your chances when the weather is good. My issue was with your comment that I should take half chances when the weather MIGHT be good. If I misunderstood that then sorry. I am taking my chances when the weather is good but not to the detriment of fundraising where at all possible. Can we put this one to bed now please as a possible misunderstanding? Thanks.


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I also look a bit of a soft twat for paying for my trip from Plymouth to Conwy myself instead of letting other folk pay for my privilege

[/ QUOTE ]AT LAST... the truth comes out... Shows a bit of jealosy here don't you think? You certainly aren't a soft twat... just a normal boat owner repositioning his boat. I am not doing this for my own benefit. It is FAR too much work... 9 months full time for a couple of grand sponsorship? Just not worth trying to conn people for that is it?

Mind you... there is nothing stopping you from doing the fundraising and getting sponsors... I have done it... so could you so please stop whinging about my success and be more positive about it all. If you did do it you would have my complete and absolute support... I now know what it takes and so I have huge respect for anyone who does it.

I have tried to hold out a hand of friendship to you Haydn and you continue to have a go at me. Can't we just leave it at that please. I am sure everyone else is getting fed up with your swipes at me... I know I am.

 

[Observer]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

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My issue was not with taking your chances when the weather is good. My issue was with your comment that I should take half chances when the weather MIGHT be good. If I misunderstood that then sorry. I am taking my chances when the weather is good but not to the detriment of fundraising where at all possible. Can we put this one to bed now please as a possible misunderstanding? Thanks.

AT LAST... the truth comes out... Shows a bit of jealosy here don't you think? You certainly aren't a soft twat... just a normal boat owner repositioning his boat. I am not doing this for my own benefit. It is FAR too much work... 9 months full time for a couple of grand sponsorship? Just not worth trying to conn people for that is it?

Mind you... there is nothing stopping you from doing the fundraising and getting sponsors... I have done it... so could you so please stop whinging about my success and be more positive about it all. If you did do it you would have my complete and absolute support... I now know what it takes and so I have huge respect for anyone who does it.

I have tried to hold out a hand of friendship to you Haydn and you continue to have a go at me. Can't we just leave it at that please. I am sure everyone else is getting fed up with your swipes at me... I know I am.

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That's pretty much all bollox Arny. Haydn's said nothing to you or about you that you haven't asked for.

This is the series of posts that started all this off (my emphasis):

First by anne:
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Sally hasn't replied to this yet so I will. Yes, the plan is that Paul will stop off for 2 - 3 days at each port unless weather gets in the way and delays him. This is to allow a day for fundraising, a day to re stock and consider the next leg and some R&R as needed. He certainly isn't planning a mad dash, infact he is in no rush. At least that way, he won't be pushing the saftely issue interms of weather. We saw him the day before he left and he was talking about being back home mid August ish.

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Reading that, there's a clear indication that the plan is to stop at least 2-3 days at each port. Whether thats true or not (the post is by anne, not by you) is academic.

Haydn responded (to anne, not to you, so "you" is not even "Arny"):
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Hmm. Unfortnatly it dont work like that. We fancied a leasurly holiday type trip,, maybe calling in at the Scillies. In truth, get a good day, take it, if you dont, might wait a long time for another. I thort we'de get to Pwehelli. Then mess about a bit. Visit Abesoc Potrpadog and BARDSEY. Upps. It vdont happen. You have to go for it first half chance you get. Today was orrible, not dangerous or difficult, just drab rainy, lumpy foggy day. Greatings from Conwy.

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That is a perfectly innocuous post which says (quote) "get a good day, take it". You have twisted what hlb actually wrote to "[hlb says] that I should take half chances when the weather MIGHT be good".

You then launched into an uncalled for and unnecessary rant:

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hlb... sorry matey but it DOES work like that if you want it to work like that. You weren't prepared to hang around for a better day... bully for you... but I am not going if the weather isn't right. If you had actually read any of my previos posts here and also my web site then you wouldn't still be making rediculous comments like that because you would understand what I was doing and how I am doing it. Your trip was about getting to Conwy... mine isn't about getting anywhere... it is about raising money for the RNLI and if I have an extra day in port then it is an extra day of fundraising or relaxing.

You know, many serious incidents that result in an RNLI call out are because someone couldn't wait for the right weather and took a "half chance". You had a timetable. That is the very thing that puts people under pressure to accept the wrong weather. If you take a "half chance" then it is, by definition, the wrong weather.

You make your decisions Haydn and I'll make mine... I know which one I prefer.

Just a point... you say it wasn't dangerous or difficult... you can only ever say that AFTER a trip... beforehand who knows how it will turn out... why take the chance if you don't have to?

You also seem to be ignoring completely that I have a 21ft outboard boat. It is light, has limited stability and ladened with fuel and stuff. It requires better weather than a Princess motor yacht and a bit more care in my weather choices.

Please, don't keep trying to prove that my trip is ill-founded... it is getting a little boring having to state the bleading obvious for your benefit.

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And, despite several 'voices of reason' pointing out, fairly gently, that you had (a) misinterpreted Haydn's post and (b) were being somewhat touchy, you followed up, some 2 hours later (during which time it might be expected that you would have had time to maturely reflect on your previous outburst) with:

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Fair enough... no more posts here then if I am going to get slated by Haydn for making safe weather decisions and him supported by the likes of coastal and the major.

I really can't handle it AND do the trip on my own as well.

I urge the rest of you, for the very final time on this forum... PLEASE follow me... PLEASE donate something, anything and PLEASE don't think bad of me for my outrage at Haydn's suggestion that I should take chances with my safety as he clearly does with his (he said he takes "half chances" and that means it is risky) as anything other than shear and utter frustration at trying to win Haydn round to support me. Clearly nothing will. I give up trying.

Bye... for the most part it has been fun and those that have and do support me please register on my web site and continue sensible discussion there

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As I said on that thread:

ARNY OF TOYS PRAM HIS THROWS TOSSER THE OUT

You're doing nothing to make me think my first judgment was unfair.

 

[pennycar9]

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Nice one Arny, just ignore him but I don't think he will go away!!!!!!. Well done you have my support 100% I used to be crew and I know all themoney is put to good use. We might catch up at somepoint on the way round, we leave Pompey on the 21st.

 

[hlb]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

Thank you Observer for pointing out the truth. Dont think most folks read all the posts before commenting or coming to rash decisions.

God my writing on the little lap top looks crap. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Dunno how I've finnish up being the bad lad, but being as I am.

All this going round Britain for the RLBI sounds a load of tosh to me.

Standing outside Tescos for nine months with a tin would produce far better results. Not much glory, no hero status, just more cash, however no cheap jaunt round the country at other folks expence.

 

[Admiral0]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

I've been watching this forum for som time now as an anonymous reader and am amazed at the sniping and back biting that goes on here.

Not just on this thread but on many where somebody may ask a simple question and is then subjected to vitriolic comments and derision from certain quarters.

Surely this forum should be somewhere for people with common interests to share views without fear of being ridiculed or attacked for not knowing something or having a different point of view.

On the subject of Arny's trip, it seems to me that whatever his motives, the RNLI will ultimately benefit and I'm sure that they wouldn't support his venture if it wasn't first thoroughly veted.

Good luck Arny I say!

 

[SnaxMuppet]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

My God! What a post. Why waste your time... anyone can slag me off... that is the easy bit. I am trying to put all this anemosity behind us so that we can move on and you and hlb just LOVE it SO much that you won't let it go.

Get a life...

 

[SnaxMuppet]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

You are a very sad man.

You must absolutely love having arguements so much that you have to just keep it going don't you.

It is actually quite sad.

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Standing outside Tesco would produce more results

[/ QUOTE ]True, but it would need to be a different Tesco every day. They only allow charity collection every now and then and anyway, the customers wouldn't give you anything if they recently gave last time they saw you. No, it needs to inspire others to give... not bully them into giving. Inspire others, have fun yourself and everyone wins, especially the charity.

I am afraid that your statement is a clear case of you just wanting an arguement Haydn...

 

[SnaxMuppet]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

I feel a bit sad for Observer and hlb that they have to be so confrontational on the forum. If only they could see them as we do... they wouldn't do it would they.

 

[whisper]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

That's a very good description of how this flare up developed and it was really caused by Paul's misinterpretation of hlb's comment.

I wish Paul well and in a very, very small way helped him with his expenses. He just needs to chill out and not treat every comment as a criticism.

Similarly hlb should be able to rise above the mischievous "cost of repositioning his boat to Conwy" suggestion, which was not called for.

Hey Ho Me Hearties!!

 

[motayotty]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

Well said Admiral!!!!!!!!! Trouble is you have just been lined up in at least two cross hares, hairs,heirs? in a scope. Get your body armour on if they are true to form there should be incoming before I stop typing.
Paul dont waste your time on this crap they will only drag you down to their level.
As a matter of interest I wonder if the critics would be prepared to relate their charitable efforts rather than just the giving of cash which is sometimes more of a comforter to the giver than the reciever.
And further stil I would be interested what tests they have put themselves through that they were prepared to have as transparent and open to criticism.

Now is their chance to let us know. If they are going to be living in glass houses have this lump of granite and prove me wrong. I would enjoy it.!

 

[SnaxMuppet]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

This thread is getting rediculous.

OK, I want everyone that has given me support to know that I appreciate your comments of support but I cannot continue to be in an environment with complete dickheads such as those who just want to cause troble.

This is the very last post on this forum and I want it know that it is mainly HLB that has driven me away. It is a victory for HLB is a way but hey... do I really care about hlb... nope, not a bit of it.

It is going to interesting to see what he does when I get to Conwy...

It is sad in a way that it has come to this... I have tried to smooth over the water and hlb and observer just want an arguement. Well, they can argue with someone else. I am out of here.

Plonkers.

 

[Observer]

Re: Do you really mean all that? My response to the \"Why did Arny\" thr

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I feel a bit sad for Observer and hlb that they have to be so confrontational on the forum. If only they could see them as we do... they wouldn't do it would they.

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Arny wrote, in response to a post by Haydn that wasn't even directed at him:

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hlb... sorry matey but it DOES work like that if you want it to work like that. You weren't prepared to hang around for a better day... bully for you... but I am not going if the weather isn't right. If you had actually read any of my previos posts here and also my web site then you wouldn't still be making rediculous comments like that because you would understand what I was doing and how I am doing it. Your trip was about getting to Conwy... mine isn't about getting anywhere... it is about raising money for the RNLI and if I have an extra day in port then it is an extra day of fundraising or relaxing.

You know, many serious incidents that result in an RNLI call out are because someone couldn't wait for the right weather and took a "half chance". You had a timetable. That is the very thing that puts people under pressure to accept the wrong weather. If you take a "half chance" then it is, by definition, the wrong weather.

You make your decisions Haydn and I'll make mine... I know which one I prefer.

Just a point... you say it wasn't dangerous or difficult... you can only ever say that AFTER a trip... beforehand who knows how it will turn out... why take the chance if you don't have to?

You also seem to be ignoring completely that I have a 21ft outboard boat. It is light, has limited stability and ladened with fuel and stuff. It requires better weather than a Princess motor yacht and a bit more care in my weather choices.

Please, don't keep trying to prove that my trip is ill-founded... it is getting a little boring having to state the bleading obvious for your benefit.

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That's NOT confrontational?

Arny - you keep on digging your own grave. Whatever credibility you may have had is rapidly evaporating. Haydn is being a bit mischievous but you keep on asking for it - in fact begging for it.