Do we now need an electric boat forum???

[flaming]

I'm not looking for your help.. You could just make the point without the smarmy statement since your point has some merit and oddly I was mostly agreeing with what you had said. Obviously politics has a huge part to play but politics is also influenced by commercial forces. If you think the politicians are calling the shots then, to use your words "I really cannot help you". But this is just 'willy-waving' . My fundamental point is, and I'll keep it simple (I wouldn't want anyone getting confused), if the technology is cr@p for the intended purpose, it will have very limited take-up. When it comes to the bulk of the motorboat market, as it sits today that's exactly where we are with it. There isn't an infrastructure to serve it. Now we can play 'fossil-fuel-prediction-bingo' all we like but as it stands today, we'll be waiting a very long time for anything to significantly change in the electrification of private motorboats.

Yes. That’s exactly my point.

If and when the fossil fuels dry up, motorboats as we know them now are not viable.
Electric boats may have a place but that place is not large planing “gin palaces”. At least not without a huge leap in battery energy density.

But the talk of replacing that sort of boat like for like is a little odd to me. People have been enjoying the ocean for hundreds of years before the advent of reliable ICE power. Take it away and you won’t diminish that desire. You’ll just switch it back to predominantly sail power…

Remember, just because it exists now, doesn’t mean that it has a divine right to continue indefinitely.

 

[Fire99]

Yes. That’s exactly my point.

If and when the fossil fuels dry up, motorboats as we know them now are not viable.
Electric boats may have a place but that place is not large planing “gin palaces”. At least not without a huge leap in battery energy density.

But the talk of replacing that sort of boat like for like is a little odd to me. People have been enjoying the ocean for hundreds of years before the advent of reliable ICE power. Take it away and you won’t diminish that desire. You’ll just switch it back to predominantly sail power…

Remember, just because it exists now, doesn’t mean that it has a divine right to continue indefinitely.

I agree.. (Not a common phenomenon on forums). My 'fossil-fuel-bingo' prediction would be a blend of more advanced boat that can use sails (to different degrees) and 'power cats' which seem to offer pretty decent pace with a much reduced fuel burn compared to a planing mobo.

 

[Bouba]

If road transport stops using fossil fuel....nobody...absolutely nobody (except us) is going to give toss how it affects boat owners....

 

[Fire99]

If road transport stops using fossil fuel....nobody...absolutely nobody (except us) is going to give toss how it affects boat owners....

Even that is a looooooong way down the road.. Excuse the pun. The whole EV situation is still in a huge state of flux and sub 3% take-up in the UK so I think that will need to multiply by a factor of at 10 before we can even consider a fossil-fuel free road policy.

 

[Bouba]

Even that is a looooooong way down the road.. Excuse the pun. The whole EV situation is still in a huge state of flux and sub 3% take-up in the UK so I think that will need to multiply by a factor of at 10 before we can even consider a fossil-fuel free road policy.

I think it’s more that 3% take up....in fact it’s about 20%....the total fleet might only be 3%....but once that (ever rising) 20% works its way down the food chain over the years then remarkable things will happen....the supply chain of fossil fuel will lose too much money on the reduced turnover.....this will lead to greater increases in retail prices...leading to an accelerated uptake of electric and and accelerated decline in fossil fuel supplies as more and more companies stop supplying and retailing liquid fuel.
If I was a company in the supply chain of fossil fuel I would be very worried about 20% of sales being electric...and would already be planning my exit from the marketplace so that I am not the last company standing (the old buggy whip speech)

 

[billskip]

If and when the fossil fuels dry up, motorboats as we know them now are not viable.

I doubt they will dry up any time soon so shouldn't worry about that, East coast of South America new big find and will be exploited for sure....

 

[jon and michie]

we will always need oil and fossil fuels and as for governments saying we are running out of oil is absolute tosh.

 

[ontheplane]

we will always need oil and fossil fuels and as for governments saying we are running out of oil is absolute tosh.

We are by definition "running out" of fossil fuel. However WHEN it will run out is the question......

 

[jon and michie]

We are by definition "running out" of fossil fuel. However WHEN it will run out is the question......

we wont run out of the black gold for a long time (not even in our lifetime (its all down to if they want to stop or not) - and not with the projects I have seen offshore
The mariner, Clair ridge (often known as the stair ridge with all its stairs from top to bottom) were only online approx less than six years ago.
and more recently the buzzard platform (20 mins chopper ride from Aberdeen) has made another significant huge discovery
Then there's the Cambio project off the Shetlands kicking off
The government announced back in 2009 /2010 we were running out of the stuff - yet when BP sold the forties field to Apache they drilled further down and found at least another 25yrs worth.
yes there is quite a bit of decom work going on but the rigs are still running.

 

[Bouba]

Here’s another way to look at it….
This article
How to choose the right electric boat engine
Says that certain Norwegian fiords will be closed to combustion engines…this could spread in the same way as LEZ on land…first all the sensitive places…then gradually everywhere as those living by the sea and marinas start complaining about the noise

 

[jon and michie]

Here’s another way to look at it….
This article
How to choose the right electric boat engine
Says that certain Norwegian fiords will be closed to combustion engines…this could spread in the same way as LEZ on land…first all the sensitive places…then gradually everywhere as those living by the sea and marinas start complaining about the noise

Now that would be interesting - would the Scandinavians then stop all ferry services and the visiting cruise liners?
and what's more interesting the Norweigan government keeps an oil slush fund for rainy days from their rigs unlike the UK which seem to blow theirs on the job dodgers etc etc

 

[kashurst]

Now that would be interesting - would the Scandinavians then stop all ferry services and the visiting cruise liners?
and what's more interesting the Norweigan government keeps an oil slush fund for rainy days from their rigs unlike the UK which seem to blow theirs on the job dodgers etc etc

Norway is leading the world in designing, and using electric car ferries. They have over 80 bobbing about already. And they are spreading further afield.
Norway showcases award-winning electric ferry technology

Sweden has just taken delivery of a hydrofoiling electric ferry.

The Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund shows what you can do if you have functioning adults in charge.

 

[Ribtecer]

shows what you can do if you have functioning adults in charge.

Why don't you stand with an Electric Revolution Manifesto?

I'm being completely serious.

 

[Bouba]

Norway is leading the world in designing, and using electric car ferries. They have over 80 bobbing about already. And they are spreading further afield.
Norway showcases award-winning electric ferry technology

Sweden has just taken delivery of a hydrofoiling electric ferry.

The Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund shows what you can do if you have functioning adults in charge.

Norway Sovereign Wealth Fund just shows what you can do if you have a tiny population and no conscience when comes to exporting carbon based fuel

 

[kashurst]

Why don't you stand with an Electric Revolution Manifesto?

I'm being completely serious.

No need. it is happening everywhere. Have you seen the African Youtubers building their own Electric bikes and cars? Or the Indian start ups building 15,000 electric motorbikes a week! Car emissions are a real problem in India but there are so many motorbikes they are far far worse.
The shift to net zero is happening - it's real, it's doable and people are spending huge amounts of money, Australia, North Africa etc. The worlds biggest wind and solar farm is now under construction in the USA. US$ 11 BILLION. VW/JEC released the first EV with battery based on Sodium - very cheap. Many EV manufacturers have designed Cobalt out completely. The rate of change and innovation is remarkable.

It will take 100 years to get rid of most oil burning stuff, but in 50 years we will have massively reduced the worlds dependance on oil. There will be less and less politicians/papers/channels whining on about how it is all impossible as it slowly but surely happens all around them.

 

[Bouba]

No need. it is happening everywhere. Have you seen the African Youtubers building their own Electric bikes and cars? Or the Indian start ups building 15,000 electric motorbikes a week! Car emissions are a real problem in India but there are so many motorbikes they are far far worse.
The shift to net zero is happening - it's real, it's doable and people are spending huge amounts of money, Australia, North Africa etc. The worlds biggest wind and solar farm is now under construction in the USA. US$ 11 BILLION. VW/JEC released the first EV with battery based on Sodium - very cheap.

It will take 100 years to get rid of most oil burning stuff, but in 50 years we will have massively reduced the worlds dependance on oil. There will be less and less politicians/papers/channels whining on about how it is all impossible as it slowly but surely happens all around them.

The amazing thing is that it’s a consumer led revolution…governments merely trying to catch up

 

[kashurst]

The amazing thing is that it’s a consumer led revolution…governments merely trying to catch up

I don't think that's true. Governments are acting to encourage electrification and expansion of renewables - even if it looks like they are not sometimes. (Hi Risihi)
Serious air pollution in Asia is a massive health problem forcing government action. Governments are seeing electrification as a way to get ahead in industrial competition. Entire new industries and technologies are being created they don't want to miss out. Plus when extreme weather hits, said government can show what they are doing to try and help - bit too late now but we have to keep moving.
Reducing the oil component in a countries economic value chain will reduce costs and more importantly economic shocks caused by dictators or other supply issues that cause energy crises every other decade.

 

[Ribtecer]

No need. it is happening everywhere. Have you seen the African Youtubers building their own Electric bikes and cars? Or the Indian start ups building 15,000 electric motorbikes a week! Car emissions are a real problem in India but there are so many motorbikes they are far far worse.
The shift to net zero is happening - it's real, it's doable and people are spending huge amounts of money, Australia, North Africa etc. The worlds biggest wind and solar farm is now under construction in the USA. US$ 11 BILLION. VW/JEC released the first EV with battery based on Sodium - very cheap. Many EV manufacturers have designed Cobalt out completely. The rate of change and innovation is remarkable.

It will take 100 years to get rid of most oil burning stuff, but in 50 years we will have massively reduced the worlds dependance on oil. There will be less and less politicians/papers/channels whining on about how it is all impossible as it slowly but surely happens all around them.

Very good, but no mention above of the UK, hence my suggestion that you should stand.

 

[kashurst]

Very good, but no mention above of the UK, hence my suggestion that you should stand.

Well thank you for you support but I wouldn't stand for parliament in the UK. I have a few friends who have tried for the two major parties and it was pretty shocking to see how the selection process works. They both would have made decent serious politicians despite some of their (pretty moderate really) views. When you see how that works it is no surprise why the UK is the way it is. Plus the UK political system has other deficiencies that I really don't like and can't discuss here.

 

[Bouba]

Well thank you for you support but I wouldn't stand for parliament in the UK. I have a few friends who have tried for the two major parties and it was pretty shocking to see how the selection process works. They both would have made decent serious politicians despite some of their (pretty moderate really) views. When you see how that works it is no surprise why the UK is the way it is. Plus the UK political system has other deficiencies that I really don't like and can't discuss here.

I have a way around the ban on political discourse here…do as Ribcage says and start your own political party…call it Youth Battling Wickedness