Didn't pay his boatyard fees. Bloody sad to see her scrapped.

[Sandyman]

As of a few minutes ago the owner of this yacht is now boat-less. After 10+ the yard here has had enough of arguing & haggling for payment and have taken her to be scrapped . For us sentimental long in the tooth sailors its a sad ending to what looked to be a wonderful sailboat. To the businessman its common sense. Not only is he not getting fees from the owner. but with the yard full to capacity he is losing a cradle which could be used by a customer who is quite willing & able to pay the monthly fee. Anyone recognise the design ? I suspect that over the coming next few years there will bemany more unhappy endings like this.

 

[Easticks28]

Should there be a photo attached ?

 

[Sandyman]

wont upload photo sod it

 

[Clancy Moped]

wont upload photo sod it

Try running it through the following.

Postimage.org — free image hosting / image upload

 

[Graham376]

wont upload photo sod it

Sandy, If you can email it to me, I'll post it. CU next week. G.

 

[[163233]]

Anyone recognise the design?

This is perhaps the hardest whatisit ever!

 

[Graham376]

As of a few minutes ago the owner of this yacht is now boat-less. After 10+ the yard here has had enough of arguing & haggling for payment and have taken her to be scrapped . For us sentimental long in the tooth sailors its a sad ending to what looked to be a wonderful sailboat. To the businessman its common sense. Not only is he not getting fees from the owner. but with the yard full to capacity he is losing a cradle which could be used by a customer who is quite willing & able to pay the monthly fee. Anyone recognise the design ? I suspect that over the coming next few years there will bemany more unhappy endings like this.

Weird Portuguese law. If storage isn't paid for, unless boat owners agrees to transfer ownership to the yard, they can't sell it but, they can break it up and sell the bits.

 

[mjcoon]

This is perhaps the hardest whatisit ever!

You mean you don't do telepathy?

 

[Sandy]

As of a few minutes ago the owner of this yacht is now boat-less. After 10+ the yard here has had enough of arguing & haggling for payment and have taken her to be scrapped . For us sentimental long in the tooth sailors its a sad ending to what looked to be a wonderful sailboat. To the businessman its common sense. Not only is he not getting fees from the owner. but with the yard full to capacity he is losing a cradle which could be used by a customer who is quite willing & able to pay the monthly fee. Anyone recognise the design ? I suspect that over the coming next few years there will bemany more unhappy endings like this.

TEN years! They have been arguing about payment for ten years. I would have had it scrapped after two. There are far to many old boats littering up boatyards and backwaters all over the planet.

 

[Graham376]

TEN years! They have been arguing about payment for ten years. I would have had it scrapped after two. There are far to many old boats littering up boatyards and backwaters all over the planet.

When discussing this with the yard owner last year, I suggested he keeps boat documents and changes agreements to allow him to dispose of/sell boats in long term arrears but evidently that's not allowed under law. Unfortunately it's not just the odd one, there are several boats not being paid for so, we all pay more to cover lost revenue.

 

[[163233]]

When discussing this with the yard owner last year, I suggested he keeps boat documents and changes agreements to allow him to dispose of/sell boats in long term arrears but evidently that's not allowed under law. Unfortunately it's not just the odd one, there are several boats not being paid for so, we all pay more to cover lost revenue.

Small claims for the unpaid bills?
You have to keep on top of these things or people take the piss.

 

[Poignard]

Years ago I laid up my boat at Clarence Marine's yard in Gosport. Next to my boat was a nice little wooden fishing boat that looked to be in quite good condition.

For some reason, the owner would not pay his bills and the yard seized the boat pending payment. The Sunday after that the owner came into the yard (he still had a key) and ripped off every fitting. bronze cleats, fairleads, instruments, everything he could carry away.

What had been an apparentley saleable boat was reduced to a worthless wreck that the yard put on the bonfire soon after.

 

[Sandy]

When discussing this with the yard owner last year, I suggested he keeps boat documents and changes agreements to allow him to dispose of/sell boats in long term arrears but evidently that's not allowed under law. Unfortunately it's not just the odd one, there are several boats not being paid for so, we all pay more to cover lost revenue.

From discussions with the last yard I kept my boat in it is something to do with having a harbourmaster. Maritime law is an ancient and fascinating subject. I am all for clearing up all the rotting and unpaid hulks around the coast.

 

[GHA]

Small claims for the unpaid bills?
You have to keep on top of these things or people take the piss.

Portuguese paperwork isn't as logical as that... A bit like quantum mechanics, no one really understands it all, it can be very strange but it is still the way it is.....

 

[[163233]]

Portuguese paperwork isn't as logical as that... A bit like quantum mechanics, no one really understands it all, it can be very strange but it is still the way it is.....

Ah sorry, didn't realise he meant Portugal. There must be some equivalent though.

 

[GHA]

. There must be some equivalent though.

Guessing our friendly boatyard owner who's been in the game for years and mates with the local authorities knows every possible wriggle already...

 

[Kukri]

Portuguese paperwork isn't as logical as that... A bit like quantum mechanics, no one really understands it all, it can be very strange but it is still the way it is.....

In the mid 1970s as a very junior creature at a rather grand firm of City solicitors I “inherited” a salvage claim by a well known German salvage company on a Portuguese troop ship, in the courts of Portugal. The Master had signed Lloyd’s Form but the Fascist Government claimed sovereign immunity once they had got their ship safely home.* The matter was ten years old then. When I left, six years later, it had progressed very slightly.

* The United States pulled the same trick with Wijsmuller. See “Wijsmuller v United States”. They didn’t pay either but at least the Court came to a decision.

 

[Dan Tribe]

At the yard where I used to lay up there was a mini-tonner abandoned for years. My [then] teenage son kept eyeing it and eventually came up with a plan that he and some of his dinghy racing mates could fix it and campaign it in EORA races.
I approached the yard and offered a few hundred quid. They said I could have it for free, just pay the outstanding rental. This was many times the value of the boat, so I declined.
Eventually the cradle rusted through and it fell in a ditch, the yard then crushed it with a bulldozer and put it in a skip.
So the yard got nothing and had to pay for a skip, whereas they could have had some cash and got a new customer with good will.

 

[Steven_T]

one of the things to be aware of when buying a boat; are there any boatyard fees due, the yard can make things a bit of a hassle for the new owner...

 

[CapPugwash]

I've always wondered where they go. I'd love to wander around a boat scrap yard looking for useful bits. Me and my mates used to do that at car scrap yards..