ChrisSoanes
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Can anybody tell me what the definition of a classic boat is, ie is it a vessel over a certain age? Does a boat have to be over a certain age to be a classic?
Definition of a Classic Boat
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Lakesailor
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I did a search and this is the Results Page although I'm not sure how long it will be available
grumpydog
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If it leaks, rots and wears a 'for sale' sign - it's a classic!
Santana379
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If you think its a classic, then it is!
It matters not if someone else disagrees.
What's the definition of a "fast car" (or a "sports car" for that matter), a "tall man", a "long journey", or a "good meal"?
Little Knot
It matters not if someone else disagrees.
What's the definition of a "fast car" (or a "sports car" for that matter), a "tall man", a "long journey", or a "good meal"?
Little Knot
Blueboatman
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To me. Stands out or is outstanding in terms of good design,heritage and/or enduring and desirable qualities. Often used with 'Timeless'!
Kristal
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Costly and irresistable.
ccscott49
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This is the first time I've heard this asked!
Phoenix of Hamble
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I reckon its anything that other people tell you is "a pretty thing, but too much maintenance for me"
jhr
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Roach1948
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Why does it matter?
Why self-impose criteria in order to fulfil others’ constantly changing views?
Why self-impose criteria in order to fulfil others’ constantly changing views?
Lakesailor
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If you buy one of the low-end classic car mags there are people pretending that Austin A40 Farinas were classic cars.
Sorry. Some things are not classic.
Sorry. Some things are not classic.
Santana379
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If you buy one of the low-end classic car mags there are people pretending that Austin A40 Farinas were classic cars.
Sorry. Some things are not classic.
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But that's the point, surely.
To you the Austin A40 Farina is not a classic, but to someone else it is. And thank the good Lord that someone can be bothered to preserve, maintain, and use them. I love to see any old (say 30yrs+) car on the road. It's a joy to see a Herald or Vitesse, though I wouldn't actually want one. And as for the Morris 1000 - what a trigger for nostalgia.
It may of course not be a very valuable classic, or a very old classic, or a very beautiful classic, or a very good handling classic, or a very high performing classic, or a universally admired classic, but I'm absolutely certain that the Austin A40 Farina may fairly be considered a classic.
To me, anything designed by Maurice Griffiths is a classic, whether in wood, marine ply, steel, or GRP. I don't suppose the average Fife owner would concur however.
That doesn't mean I rate my Golden Hind or my Barbican as being as being in the same league as say Mirelle or Crystal, boats I regard as significantly more classic than my, or most other, boats.
Where does that leave Hillyards? Firmly classics in my book, but perhaps not in someone else's.
Not many boats in current production are classics, but what about the Holman designed Rustler 36? A real pedigree, classic lines and virtues, but entirely built of modern materials. A classic? A future classic? Just a GRP boat that's better designed than a Bavaria / Beneteau / Jeanneau / Moody etc?
Is a Twister a classic? If so just the wooden ones? Or can we include the composite ones? And what about the all GRP ones?
The Contessa?
I'm absolutely certain that if you think its a classic, then it is. If you think it isn't, you may of course be wrong!
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Little Knot
If you buy one of the low-end classic car mags there are people pretending that Austin A40 Farinas were classic cars.
Sorry. Some things are not classic.
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But that's the point, surely.
To you the Austin A40 Farina is not a classic, but to someone else it is. And thank the good Lord that someone can be bothered to preserve, maintain, and use them. I love to see any old (say 30yrs+) car on the road. It's a joy to see a Herald or Vitesse, though I wouldn't actually want one. And as for the Morris 1000 - what a trigger for nostalgia.
It may of course not be a very valuable classic, or a very old classic, or a very beautiful classic, or a very good handling classic, or a very high performing classic, or a universally admired classic, but I'm absolutely certain that the Austin A40 Farina may fairly be considered a classic.
To me, anything designed by Maurice Griffiths is a classic, whether in wood, marine ply, steel, or GRP. I don't suppose the average Fife owner would concur however.
That doesn't mean I rate my Golden Hind or my Barbican as being as being in the same league as say Mirelle or Crystal, boats I regard as significantly more classic than my, or most other, boats.
Where does that leave Hillyards? Firmly classics in my book, but perhaps not in someone else's.
Not many boats in current production are classics, but what about the Holman designed Rustler 36? A real pedigree, classic lines and virtues, but entirely built of modern materials. A classic? A future classic? Just a GRP boat that's better designed than a Bavaria / Beneteau / Jeanneau / Moody etc?
Is a Twister a classic? If so just the wooden ones? Or can we include the composite ones? And what about the all GRP ones?
The Contessa?
I'm absolutely certain that if you think its a classic, then it is. If you think it isn't, you may of course be wrong!
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Little Knot
Lakesailor
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I'm absolutely certain that if you think its a classic, then it is. If you think it isn't, you may of course be wrong!
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If I think it's a classic, it is. If you think it's a classic, you're wrong.
Then it just depends who is saying it.
I'm absolutely certain that if you think its a classic, then it is. If you think it isn't, you may of course be wrong!
[/ QUOTE ] It went quite well until then. Of course it should read
If I think it's a classic, it is. If you think it's a classic, you're wrong.
Then it just depends who is saying it.
KellysEye
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FWIW the committee of Antigua Classics Week defines a classic as traditional rig (ketch, yawl and cutter), traditional building materials (wood or steel) - no age limit. They then have a Spirit of Tradition class for GRP modern classic lookalikes.
Porthandbuoy
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Practically any yacht which an enthusiast keeps afloat long after it becomes economically viable to do so.
eg. my Hillyard 2 1/2 tonner.
eg. my Hillyard 2 1/2 tonner.
Santana379
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FWIW the committee of Antigua Classics Week defines a classic as traditional rig (ketch, yawl and cutter), traditional building materials (wood or steel)
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That's a pretty fairish definition, or at least a fairish entry criteria for their regatta, but excludes an awful lot of wonderful sloops from the some of the greatest designers.
Three that I (successfully) voted for in Classic Boat's recent Top 200 were Selina King (1938 Fred Shepherd), Undina (1956 Philip Rhodes), and Ragna R (1937 Knud Reimers). These are all sloop rigged, but is anyone going even try and argue that they're not classics? In looking through the top 200 it is surprising how many do meet your definition though. One other notable exception is Vashti (1958 Buchanan).
Does the definition mean that a new steel Roberts ketch qualifies for entry in the Antigua Classics?
Little Knot
FWIW the committee of Antigua Classics Week defines a classic as traditional rig (ketch, yawl and cutter), traditional building materials (wood or steel)
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That's a pretty fairish definition, or at least a fairish entry criteria for their regatta, but excludes an awful lot of wonderful sloops from the some of the greatest designers.
Three that I (successfully) voted for in Classic Boat's recent Top 200 were Selina King (1938 Fred Shepherd), Undina (1956 Philip Rhodes), and Ragna R (1937 Knud Reimers). These are all sloop rigged, but is anyone going even try and argue that they're not classics? In looking through the top 200 it is surprising how many do meet your definition though. One other notable exception is Vashti (1958 Buchanan).
Does the definition mean that a new steel Roberts ketch qualifies for entry in the Antigua Classics?
Little Knot
Lakesailor
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Are these not classics then?
Velsheda & Braveheart
Velsheda & Braveheart
Santana379
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I took a picture of Velsheda sailing in 2001 as a cutter, and you can clearly see the stay for the staysail in your photo.
Little Knot
(And I'm certain Velsheda does race in the Antigua Classics)
Little Knot
(And I'm certain Velsheda does race in the Antigua Classics)
KellysEye
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>Does the definition mean that a new steel Roberts ketch qualifies for entry in the Antigua Classics?
That's a good question and only the committee can give you an answer but... Our boat is a 1980 Dutch built steel round bilge ketch with fairly traditional lines and she's done Classics three times (with the previous owner). I know that they do ask for pictures of the boat before allowing entry and my instinct is they may well turn a BR down - they certainly reserve the right to refuse entry. I met the folks who run Classics this year and they are real enthusiasts who seem to judge a boat by how she looks rather than what she is (within the criteria mentioned).
>And I'm certain Velsheda does race in the Antigua Classics
Yes she does indeed and she is a cutter. I was lucky enough to sail her when she had an old analogue anemometer and the needle was on its stop at 55 knots for hours. I remember putting up the storm trysail and storm staysail - I'll never ever ever forget she's a cutter, believe me. Out of interest it took eight people just to lift the storm trysail out of the locker and carry it down the deck. It was quite unbelievable and in the spray the visibility was no more than fifty yards in any direction. Of course I wasn't scared ;-)
That's a good question and only the committee can give you an answer but... Our boat is a 1980 Dutch built steel round bilge ketch with fairly traditional lines and she's done Classics three times (with the previous owner). I know that they do ask for pictures of the boat before allowing entry and my instinct is they may well turn a BR down - they certainly reserve the right to refuse entry. I met the folks who run Classics this year and they are real enthusiasts who seem to judge a boat by how she looks rather than what she is (within the criteria mentioned).
>And I'm certain Velsheda does race in the Antigua Classics
Yes she does indeed and she is a cutter. I was lucky enough to sail her when she had an old analogue anemometer and the needle was on its stop at 55 knots for hours. I remember putting up the storm trysail and storm staysail - I'll never ever ever forget she's a cutter, believe me. Out of interest it took eight people just to lift the storm trysail out of the locker and carry it down the deck. It was quite unbelievable and in the spray the visibility was no more than fifty yards in any direction. Of course I wasn't scared ;-)
Lakesailor
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If you look you can see the picture source is AntiguaClassics.com so that was a bit sneaky, but I did note that some J class boats were converted to cutter rig to compete.
So the definition of classic gets very blurred doesn't it?
So the definition of classic gets very blurred doesn't it?
