ShipsWoofy
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Not very sensible are they?
deep keel cruisers in the UK
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PeteMylett
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GeorgeP
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Something happened?
BlueSkyNick
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i think he is having a pop at tonyliv talking about a Bav46 for coastal cruising.
ie, what's the point?
ie, what's the point?
Sans Bateau
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So what about all the racing type boats with 2mtr plus keels? What is deep?
ShipsWoofy
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That is why I made the distinction of cruising boats. Racing boats do not tend to cruise up and down the coast pulling into to little harbours.
I just find it odd the the modern cruiser families restrict themselves to the ugliest places in the uk to tie up to. All those pretty picture-postcard villages dry out at low water, the majority of new yacht buyers can't visit these places, or in a small number of places are restricted to a less sheltered outer harbour or pool; with the trawlers loading gear at all times.
Buying a boat that can not take to the ground for UK cruising is plain daft IMO.
I just find it odd the the modern cruiser families restrict themselves to the ugliest places in the uk to tie up to. All those pretty picture-postcard villages dry out at low water, the majority of new yacht buyers can't visit these places, or in a small number of places are restricted to a less sheltered outer harbour or pool; with the trawlers loading gear at all times.
Buying a boat that can not take to the ground for UK cruising is plain daft IMO.
Sinbad2222
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Agree with Dogwatch.
I used to be a long keel, heavy displacement fanatic but the truth is they need 12+ knots of wind to get going in any enjoyable fashion and cannot reach shallow water areas where some of the nicest spots are.
I changed to a lifting keel up-to-date design from Beneteau - goes like the clappers and can creep up shallow creeks etc.
Very few of us would willingly go back to a 1960s or 1970s car; those of us old enough can remember what rubbish they all were - the same applies to yachts in my opinion. they cannot compete with more modern materials and computer aided designs.
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I used to be a long keel, heavy displacement fanatic but the truth is they need 12+ knots of wind to get going in any enjoyable fashion and cannot reach shallow water areas where some of the nicest spots are.
I changed to a lifting keel up-to-date design from Beneteau - goes like the clappers and can creep up shallow creeks etc.
Very few of us would willingly go back to a 1960s or 1970s car; those of us old enough can remember what rubbish they all were - the same applies to yachts in my opinion. they cannot compete with more modern materials and computer aided designs.
Asbestos suit carefully buttoned up!
bigwow
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I wish you would not point out the error of their ways, if they all see sense, the places I get into will become crowded!
pgod
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Thing is though, they can do the bit in-between the nice shallow moorings up river, that is the sailing in short, choppy seas rather well.
bigwow
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Can't we all, you just need two hulls!
Koeketiene
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It depends on the kind of sailing you do.
If picture postcards places are your thing - by all means go for a shallowdraft or bilgekeeler.
As for me - I couldn't care less. It's not the destination, it's the sailing. The "being out there", I just love legs of 50-60NM+ out of sight of land.
I don't go sailing to go places, I go sailing to get away from people.
If picture postcards places are your thing - by all means go for a shallowdraft or bilgekeeler.
As for me - I couldn't care less. It's not the destination, it's the sailing. The "being out there", I just love legs of 50-60NM+ out of sight of land.
I don't go sailing to go places, I go sailing to get away from people.
Sans Bateau
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OK I can see what your getting at. But at what point does a keel become deep, ours for instance is 1.6. Our favorite pretty anchorage in about 10mters of water at MLW.
oilyrag
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If all you want to do is sit around in the mud all day why not buy a caravan? The fact that some people actually enjoy sailing a boat that is capable of sailing faster forwards than sideways does not make them daft!
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Personally I'd go either for deep draft or a lifting keeler, but nothing in between.
Having a deep keel hasn't stopped me getting to lots of fascinating and out-of-the-way places. There were a few times when I wished I could have got further up the creek etc., but on the other hand the deep keel let me visit lots of exotic places, beautiful anchorages that I wouldn't have had the confidence to visit in a shallow keeler.
If I was just going to sail locally though, especially eg. on the East Coast, I'd probably go for a lifting keel. On the other hand even on the EastCoast you can get to most places with a fin keeler if you don't mind sticking your keel in the mud at LW. If crossing the channel, or even visiting other areas in the UK gives the fin keel can give the confidence to reach places other boats can't reach.
Having a deep keel hasn't stopped me getting to lots of fascinating and out-of-the-way places. There were a few times when I wished I could have got further up the creek etc., but on the other hand the deep keel let me visit lots of exotic places, beautiful anchorages that I wouldn't have had the confidence to visit in a shallow keeler.
If I was just going to sail locally though, especially eg. on the East Coast, I'd probably go for a lifting keel. On the other hand even on the EastCoast you can get to most places with a fin keeler if you don't mind sticking your keel in the mud at LW. If crossing the channel, or even visiting other areas in the UK gives the fin keel can give the confidence to reach places other boats can't reach.
Woodlouse
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But surely your boat is only for getting you so far, then you drop anchor, then take your sailing tender when you want to go exploring in land.
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Well, quite! 'course there is the occasional estuary that isn't deep enough at all - but that's pretty rare. The example that comes to mind just now is it'd be nice to take the inside route behind some of the easternmost German Frisian islands.
Even in a shallow keeler you often want to anchor off and use the dinghy, 'cos getting stuck on mud as far as the eye can see can be a sticky and not very exciting experience... Nicer to anchor where there's water and use the dinghy.
Even in a shallow keeler you often want to anchor off and use the dinghy, 'cos getting stuck on mud as far as the eye can see can be a sticky and not very exciting experience... Nicer to anchor where there's water and use the dinghy.
narooma
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If I wanted to spend all my time in shallow water I would buy a punt...however I much prefer to go sailing....
chrisgee
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Well said . nothing like a good upwind leg on a boat that not only has a "deep" fin but a rudder to match.
The X yacht 412 spring to mind -- this is desigated a cruiser/racer and handles beautifully both up and downwind.
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The X yacht 412 spring to mind -- this is desigated a cruiser/racer and handles beautifully both up and downwind.
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ShipsWoofy
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If all you want to do is sit around in the mud all day why not buy a caravan? The fact that some people actually enjoy sailing a boat that is capable of sailing faster forwards than sideways does not make them daft!
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A little touchy no?
So in your little world anyone who enjoys visiting little ports around the tidal uk must sit in the mud all day.
Next, you'll be telling me sailing miles solo is better than visiting ports and enjoying experiencing new places?
If all you want to do is sit around in the mud all day why not buy a caravan? The fact that some people actually enjoy sailing a boat that is capable of sailing faster forwards than sideways does not make them daft!
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A little touchy no?
So in your little world anyone who enjoys visiting little ports around the tidal uk must sit in the mud all day.
Next, you'll be telling me sailing miles solo is better than visiting ports and enjoying experiencing new places?
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If all you want to do is sit around in the mud all day why not buy a caravan? The fact that some people actually enjoy sailing a boat that is capable of sailing faster forwards than sideways does not make them daft!
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A little touchy no?
So in your little world anyone who enjoys visiting little ports around the tidal uk must sit in the mud all day.
Next, you'll be telling me sailing miles solo is better than visiting ports and enjoying experiencing new places?
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Now then Pooch! Just what do you think you are up to! Hmmmmm?
They will likely as not all come tumblin' out of the woodwork with their prejudices fully armed, ready to rip your balls off.
You 'as already had some of it what wiv boats that sail sideways and other such bollix...........I get the impression that sailing for a lot of people on these forums is more about trotting down to the Marina, going for a quick spin, then toddlin' back to the Marina for dwinkies and nosh, at that tewibly nice westewaunt.............for Gawd sake! don't encourage 'em to do owt else, other wise us will probably have to put up with the buggers comin' over this way, and bein' a pain in the arris!
Now you just leave 'em be, dyer hear, the last thing we want around these parts is a bunch of posh yotties cluttering up the place! We has our waters all to ourselves for the most part, and what us don't want is all these 'ere hooooway Enwys with there silly plastic AWB thingies, complaining that it isn't like this in the Solent! Norf Debun an' Cornwull be for proper sailor men, not a place for limp wristed pansies from down sarf!
So you jus' wind ya neck in boy, an' leave 'em be! Fought you 'ad more sense I did.
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If all you want to do is sit around in the mud all day why not buy a caravan? The fact that some people actually enjoy sailing a boat that is capable of sailing faster forwards than sideways does not make them daft!
[/ QUOTE ]
A little touchy no?
So in your little world anyone who enjoys visiting little ports around the tidal uk must sit in the mud all day.
Next, you'll be telling me sailing miles solo is better than visiting ports and enjoying experiencing new places?
[/ QUOTE ]
Now then Pooch! Just what do you think you are up to! Hmmmmm?
They will likely as not all come tumblin' out of the woodwork with their prejudices fully armed, ready to rip your balls off.
You 'as already had some of it what wiv boats that sail sideways and other such bollix...........I get the impression that sailing for a lot of people on these forums is more about trotting down to the Marina, going for a quick spin, then toddlin' back to the Marina for dwinkies and nosh, at that tewibly nice westewaunt.............for Gawd sake! don't encourage 'em to do owt else, other wise us will probably have to put up with the buggers comin' over this way, and bein' a pain in the arris!
Now you just leave 'em be, dyer hear, the last thing we want around these parts is a bunch of posh yotties cluttering up the place! We has our waters all to ourselves for the most part, and what us don't want is all these 'ere hooooway Enwys with there silly plastic AWB thingies, complaining that it isn't like this in the Solent! Norf Debun an' Cornwull be for proper sailor men, not a place for limp wristed pansies from down sarf!
So you jus' wind ya neck in boy, an' leave 'em be! Fought you 'ad more sense I did.
