Crisis, help urgently needed.

Graham_Wright said:
Now for the financial pain!
Clutch plates for the gearbox repair;

"Fritted" (i.e. with Ph Br segments) €78,90
Plain (steel disc) €84.84 ( dearer than the fritted)
Circlip €275.69. WHAT?

These euro prices translated directly into £ by the UK agent.
They don't add up!

The circlip is a ring with normal "squeeze together" holes at the ends but it is soft and died during (brutal) removal.
I think I'll be making a new one!
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couldn't you get the plates relined, years ago there was a little company in west London but I'm sure there are others
circlip's are simple enough to get

mick
 
mtb said:
couldn't you get the plates relined, years ago there was a little company in west London but I'm sure there are others
circlip's are simple enough to get

mick
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The circlip is easy - see before.

I know nothing about sintering but €80 doesn't sound too bad.

I've asked Bauduoin why the clip is so expensive. Knowing my luck, they'll probably look again at all the prices and find the sintered plated should be €800!
 
On a MUCH smaller scale, Avocet was also sunk (funny enough just outside Fleetwood harbour on a mooring at Knott End!) and the engine immersed. That was over 20 years ago now and it's still running today, so there can be life after immersion!
 
davidpbo said:
No difference in material?
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I did ask if the ring was special but received no response. As mentioned before, the original was soft, so soft that, having failed to close it with circlip pliers in the holes, and tapping with a punch, the holes broke through. I eventually removed it by drilling through the case from the outside and compressing the ring inwards. By the time I hammered it out, the ends overlapped by about 60°.

I cannot see the reason for the softness and I cannot believe that a normal, springy circlip would be any less effective.
 
If it were mine, I wouldn't hesitate in using a generic one. It's hard to imagine the sort of application that would require a circlip to be soft - maybe some form of fail-safe if there is excessive load applied? Hard to say without seeing the application "in context". I normally imagine circlips on splined shafts to be used to stop something that transmits torque from moving axially. If that's what this one does ,I can't think of a reason why it should be soft.
 
Avocet said:
If it were mine, I wouldn't hesitate in using a generic one. It's hard to imagine the sort of application that would require a circlip to be soft - maybe some form of fail-safe if there is excessive load applied? Hard to say without seeing the application "in context". I normally imagine circlips on splined shafts to be used to stop something that transmits torque from moving axially. If that's what this one does ,I can't think of a reason why it should be soft.
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That is exactly what it does. There is a drum splined internally containing 8 engine driven discs. These intermesh with 8 discs to transmit the power into the gearbox train. The 8 pairs are forced axially by a hydraulic piston towards an end plate. It is that which is locked into the drum with the circlip.

I don't suppose I will ever discover the reason for the softness.

Post 269 picture gives an idea of the assembly.
 
No more posts about circlips please, I don't understand engineering - I want more accounts of daring diving and brave determined chaps saving the boat!

Good luck with it all, if any boat deserves to sail again it's this one.
 
Enormous respect to you and your son!

It all has had something of the epic about it:

In Greek mythology, Andromeda is the daughter of Cepheus, an Aethiopian king, and Cassiopeia. When Cassiopeia's hubris leads her to boast that Andromeda is more beautiful than the Nereids, Poseidon sends a sea monster to ravage Aethiopia as divine punishment. Andromeda is chained to a rock as a sacrifice to sate the monster, but is saved from death by Perseus, her future husband.

And... err... now that the crisis is over and 'noise' might be a little more tolerated, here's a point that I don't think (having read every single post of the thread from my sickbed this afternoon) has been raised: I would have assumed that marinas and harbours would require evidence of at least 3rd party insurance from permanently moored vessels?
 
So what's the latest ?? I was under the impression that regular updates would be coming . I guess we don't matter now it's salvaged .
 
clyst said:
So what's the latest ?? I was under the impression that regular updates would be coming . I guess we don't matter now it's salvaged .
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You certainly do matter! The help and encouragement we received during this "evolution" is what makes the forum brilliant.

The saga continues but, bearing in mind the cost of this exercise, the coffers have to be refilled. That is apart from the fact that the boat was purchased with borrowed funds that have to be repaid. Thus, son is back in Inverness working all the hours available.

She was moved to a more kindly dock area with the help of a friendly dredger crew but still needs turning to be bows on to the wind.

Meanwhile Dad is working on the clutch and pleased to report that it appears to be functional.

The costs of the replaceable components were interesting. Messrs Baudouin in the shape of the lovely Claire, have been enormously helpful in the supply of documentation and in very good English. As we are off to our pad in Leucate in a few weeks, I might pop in and give her a big kiss! The sintered discs were €78, the plain ones €80 and the circlip €280! When I queried the circlip, Claire said they had made a mistake and it should have been 80. It all seems muddled to me but I used the original discs and bought a couple of circlips for £10!

The engine injectors have been properly torqued down which I understand is critical and the engine seems to run as before. Once I return to the boat, I will take some video of the engine running - it is an impressive beast! We still have the variable pitch hydraulics to sort out but after that and reassembly, we can go for a drive round the docks. If all seems well, we can look into beaching her to inspect and repair the planks and then invite a survey prior to insuring her. The walk-through survey before Mark signed the purchase documents was reasonably encouraging and the internal structure impressively strong. It is the planking that at least needs re-caulking and some replacing. Anyone know a cheap source of two inch thick oak planks?:rolleyes:
 
Graham_Wright said:
Anyone know a cheap source of two inch thick oak planks?:rolleyes:
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Probably in your dreams, sadly, although maybe someone can point you in a useful direction. Does Victory really need all that timber just to sit on the hard?
Like most of us, I suspect, I've read this unfolding saga on the edge of my seat (well, berth, actually). Well done to you all and good luck with the jobs top come.
 
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