l'escargot
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Good luck.
Thank you. But as you know, I don't need luck when complying with the regulations - as opposed to your interpretation of the regulations...
Crew suffered crushed leg in marina accident
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Thank you. But as you know, I don't need luck when complying with the regulations - as opposed to your interpretation of the regulations...
Elessar
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My crew. Or me if single handed, or they are novices.
As has been pointed out there are occasions where it is impossible, but Brighton marina isn't one of them.
Elessar
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Why ever not?
jerrytug
N/A
It doesn't work at sea!
capnsensible
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Its not an interpretation. Its SOLAS chapter 5. Safety of Navigation. Worth a look.
Just don't cock up and you will be fine.
Davegriff
New member
I'm getting really confused now. I've just read SOLAS chapter 5 (twice) and can find nowhere mentioned that a written passage(voyage) plan is required. What am I missing?
capnsensible
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Ava look at the sum up of chapter 5 in this wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLAS_Convention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLAS_Convention
capnsensible
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This chapter requires governments to ensure that all vessels are sufficiently and efficiently manned from a safety point of view. It places requirements on all vessels regarding voyage and passage planning, expecting a careful assessment of any proposed voyages by all who put to sea. Every mariner must take account of all potential dangers to navigation, weather forecasts, tidal predictions, the competence of the crew, and all other relevant factors.[6] It also adds an obligation for all vessels' masters to offer assistance to those in distress and controls the use of lifesaving signals with specific requirements regarding danger and distress messages. It is different from the other chapters, which apply to certain classes of commercial shipping, in that these requirements apply to all vessels and their crews, including yachts and private craft, on all voyages and trips including local ones.[1]
capnsensible
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As I have mentioned more than once, no cock up, no problem.
Sooner or later, it is my view that a prosecution will come about after a serious accident and a not even sharp lawyer will go for it. And a smart ass insurance company will have an excuse not to pay up.
Not bovvered if that makes me a cynic, but remember where you heard it first and do please sail safely.
Sooner or later, it is my view that a prosecution will come about after a serious accident and a not even sharp lawyer will go for it. And a smart ass insurance company will have an excuse not to pay up.
Not bovvered if that makes me a cynic, but remember where you heard it first and do please sail safely.
jerrytug
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But it doesn't say that I need to WRITE DOWN, IN WRITING my passage plan surely? I thought I just needed to MAKE A PLAN which could be me thinking, it's a nice day, I'm going to jump in the boat, and float about for a while.
capnsensible
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You may have missed regulation 34 and annexe 23. Be aware that a passage plan need not be written but bear in mind (as I said before) how you will prove your plan if it all goes breasts up.
IMHO.
capnsensible
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lustyd
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Neither does Navtex if you are far enough out. 3G is a perfectly acceptable method of getting weather for the vast majority of "passages" in coastal waters.
JumbleDuck
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Interesting question. If you write a plan down and it all goes wrong, are you in trouble for making a bad plan?
capnsensible
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It would be your bad plan that got you into trouble......... :ambivalence:
jerrytug
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I'm glad 3g works for you, my reception fails while still in sight of land. (E which used to be T mobile).
lustyd
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I only need signal once every 6 hours since that's how often the forecasts are updated. If you think you need constant weather updates then good luck with that. Either way, the vast majority of coastal trips are under 12 hours so no new forecast is required after leaving the berth. Even if a new forecast is received, it's never different enough to the one six hours previous to change the plan.
Obviously longer passages need different planning, but almost nobody does sail longer and of those, only a few times a year. These few people on longer trips will plan with what they can get but that doesn't make 3G any less useful for everyone else.
JumbleDuck
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When I'm away sailing my other half regularly texts me the inshore waters forecast ... there's generally enough reception at some point for it to get through.
On my list of things to do (1) write something to download the forecast, extract the bit I want and text it to me (2) find out that this service is already available.
Elessar
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Primarily, i dont plan at sea. And it does if work at sea if you have decent comms anyway, it is way better than navtex or radio as you have diversity of information.
robertj
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A passage plan that goes wrong can and will be used against you in a court.