Crew suffered crushed leg in marina accident

[BlueSkyNick]

Apologies if this has been posted already. I am away on a boat and only just checked in.
My immediate reaction is not at all sympathetic


http://www.ybw.com/news/sailing/536...hile-trying-to-moor-yacht#vg1zFOlTWuvwHRXR.99

Part of my safety brief is 'don't put any body parts between our boat and anything very hard. It's only a boat.'

 

[Sailfree]

I notice the associated article states that another skipper where a crewman dies was guilty of not completing a passage plan(admittedly in Australia!). The skipper also made errors in his tidal calls.

Possibly signs of times to come where a documented passage plan will be necessary.

 

[Elessar]

Apologies if this has been posted already. I am away on a boat and only just checked in.
My immediate reaction is not at all sympathetic


http://www.ybw.com/news/sailing/536...hile-trying-to-moor-yacht#vg1zFOlTWuvwHRXR.99

Part of my safety brief is 'don't put any body parts between our boat and anything very hard. It's only a boat.'

I don't get the whole, "I've got to get off the boat to stop it" attitude of so many sailors. Get off once it's tied up, not before.
This unfortunate lady was mitigating the leap from a 40 ft boat, and it was this that caused her leg to be in the wrong place. Why do the leap at all???

 

[bedouin]

I can't quite visualise what happened - but it doesn't seem like a deliberate attempt to use her body as a fender. The idea of easing oneself off onto the pontoon from a sitting position seems reasonable.

Whether reversing a boat into the berth in those conditions is reasonable is a different matter

 

[jerrytug]

Well, it was the skipper's job to prevent her putting herself at risk.

It looks as though the skipper was her husband.. once or twice I have crewed on boats with married couples as owners/ crew (nobody who knows me on this forum or in Kent BTW ) and they have had massive deck communication problems of one sort or another, especially being reluctant to raise their voices or take charge of a situation. Compromises aimed at achieving a golden wedding anniversary can be dangerous on deck IMO.

 

[BlackPig]

Well, it was the skipper's job to prevent her putting herself at risk.

Safety starts with you. You are responsible for your safety.

 

[25931]

I don't get the whole, "I've got to get off the boat to stop it" attitude of so many sailors. Get off once it's tied up, not before.
This unfortunate lady was mitigating the leap from a 40 ft boat, and it was this that caused her leg to be in the wrong place. Why do the leap at all???

You can find a pontoon on Culatra where it is impossible to tie up without going ashore because there are no cleats - only chain linkslying in small wells.

 

[jerrytug]

Safety starts with you. You are responsible for your safety.

Yes fair enough BlackPig, I have added some thoughts while you were answering me..

 

[JumbleDuck]

I don't get the whole, "I've got to get off the boat to stop it" attitude of so many sailors. Get off once it's tied up, not before.

Who does the tying up?

 

[capnsensible]

I notice the associated article states that another skipper where a crewman dies was guilty of not completing a passage plan(admittedly in Australia!). The skipper also made errors in his tidal calls.

Possibly signs of times to come where a documented passage plan will be necessary.

It seems people are unaware that it is already there. Solas chapter 5. Leisure vessels and safe navigation.

If something goes wrong and you do not have a passage plan, the bogey man will get you.

Solas is world wide.

Bon voyage!!

 

[sailorman]

Apologies if this has been posted already. I am away on a boat and only just checked in.
My immediate reaction is not at all sympathetic


http://www.ybw.com/news/sailing/536...hile-trying-to-moor-yacht#vg1zFOlTWuvwHRXR.99

Part of my safety brief is 'don't put any body parts between our boat and anything very hard. It's only a boat.'

AND NEVER jump off of a boat onto a pontoon

 

[sailorman]

Its ok she is publicising her book

Alana Cowell, who was completely new to boating until a few years ago, has written a book about her experiences of sailing and her http://www.amazon.co.uk/To-Sea-not-Alana-Cowell/dp/1492794376.
Read more at http://www.ybw.com/news/sailing/536...hile-trying-to-moor-yacht#T5Zm1kmKHGfXc6fX.99

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[l'escargot]

It seems people are unaware that it is already there. Solas chapter 5. Leisure vessels and safe navigation.

If something goes wrong and you do not have a passage plan, the bogey man will get you.

Solas is world wide.

Bon voyage!!

There is no requirement under SOLAS to document your passage plan - or "Voyage Plan" as they now seem to like to call it.

 

[Colvic Watson]

Well, it was the skipper's job to prevent her putting herself at risk.

It looks as though the skipper was her husband.. once or twice I have crewed on boats with married couples as owners/ crew (nobody who knows me on this forum or in Kent BTW ) and they have had massive deck communication problems of one sort or another, especially being reluctant to raise their voices or take charge of a situation. Compromises aimed at achieving a golden wedding anniversary can be dangerous on deck IMO.

Or the irritating shouty barks of some bloke at the helm ordering his wife about, give a man a wheel and he thinks he's either Nelson or Nigel Mansell.

 

[Sailfree]

There is no requirement under SOLAS to document your passage plan - or "Voyage Plan" as they now seem to like to call it.

That was my understanding for pleasure craft. There were long threads non this some time ago and IIRC you should show you thought about it eg setting off in an adverse tide and F8 forecast would be taken as not planned! Can't remember whether more was expected from charter boat skippers

 

[capnsensible]

There is no requirement under SOLAS to document your passage plan - or "Voyage Plan" as they now seem to like to call it.

Indeed, but when you are in the dock its gonna be hard for you to prove.

Possibly as the Oz chap mentioned is now finding out.

 

[l'escargot]

Indeed, but when you are in the dock its gonna be hard for you to prove.

Possibly as the Oz chap mentioned is now finding out.

The Oz chap wasn't on a leisure vessel, it was commercial.

 

[Huff]

When will grotty yachties learn that plastic, steel and wood are harder than flesh and bone. If the yacht hits the key ,let it , if the yacht hits anything constantly , sack the driver.

 

[Huff]

Or the irritating shouty barks of some bloke at the helm ordering his wife about, give a man a wheel and he thinks he's either Nelson or Nigel Mansell.

Nelson knew what he was doing!

 

[Tranona]

Indeed, but when you are in the dock its gonna be hard for you to prove.

Possibly as the Oz chap mentioned is now finding out.

But if you read it, he had done a plan but he got his sums wrong and the tide was stronger than expected. As far as SOLAS is concerned he could show that he had made an appropriate plan, just got it wrong.

The issue about having a written plan was to do with company policy. Not sure what difference writing it down would have made, if indeed the primary cause of the accident was miscalculating the tide. Difficult to say reading a press report what the findings of the inquiry would be and no suggestion the skipper is being prosecuted.