Cranchi 29 Zaffiro

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Not keen on the exterior looks abit late eighties/early nineties

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to be honest it is something I like...

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Well thats not exactly suprising is it /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Thing is, in terms of actual boat (exclusing the bolt on platform that doesnt even add to waterline length) its actually a 24 footer. The old Zaffiro 28 was quite a bit bigger, looked much nicer and, if I remember correctly, Cranchi are chargng about £110k for this boat. Which for a 24 footer with an over sized swim platform is a very oversized price.
 
LOL Jez I better laugh /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Cranchi retro layout is not all that bad, personally on this size I prefare its looks to some Startrek looking boat....
about the waterline I think if you start measuring most of the boats that way in a boatshow you will find most are actually smaller then they are as nearly all builders today sell there product with an LOA, some also include a pulpit in this

a Farline 37 Targa has a 28 feet waterline, ah you are right FL should have sold it as 28 Targa and also berthing fees would have been that way or not, forgot to tell you that FL platform is also bolten in
in the end most bathing platform are bolted in, and now even more since the fashion of hi-low platform
I think only USA sport fishers advertise there boat today by the length or LWL or not....
 
Mmmm... you're mixing up measures a bit.
When jrb1978 says that it's a 24', he's spot on.
That's what Cranchi itself calls hull length, as opposed to a 30' LOA.
In terms of LWL, she's a 20', so following your Targa example, they should sell it as a 20', not even a 24'...
 
PY,

I am not talking about waterline length, I am talking about hull length. If you want to talk WL then it gets even worse, only 6.25m or 20.8 feet. When I said it was only a 24 footer, I was quoting the hull length as detailed on the Cranchi Site (and yours by the way).

LOA - 9.18m (30.1ft)
Length - 7.51m (24.78ft)
Length Waterline - 6.25m (20.80ft)
Beam - 3.24m
Draft - 1.04m
Displacement - 3800 kg


And I do accept what you are saying about swim platforms. But, the vast majority of the bigger cruisers (such as the T37 and the Cranchi Zaffiro 34) actually have intergral swim platforms that add to the waterline length, which is turn help a little with see keeping and handling. What you have on this boat is a platform which is (by the looks of things) a good 3 inch above the water so that it preforms no function with the hull at all.

Your comparison is wrong on both counts.

To call this boat a 29 is maybe ok because of the swim platform, but in my opinion when the platform forms nearly 20% of the boats over all hull length it is missleading the buyer.

Also, to charge for a 29 foot boat is also mad. With this at £110k it is nearly twice the price of a Sealine S25 or Doral Monticello for absolutly no extra boat. Ok you can hve twin engines, but not for £110k and I would wager most owners opt for just a big single.
 
hh my 28 feet example was a sarcastic one. LOL if one had not noticed this, that is to say that most boats are marketed this way, now that Cranchi is going this way Jez wants to crucify them...

but Jez both boats you mention have bolted on platforms, even 34 Zaffiro
on sterndrive it is rare that the plaform is integrated with the boat giving it length
Gobbi Atlantis and now Beneteau manage to overcome this a bit with the u-shape stern they make aft and put the sterndrives in it

then with shafts you are right someboats make it the bathing plaform part of the hull, Ferretti and Squadrons come to mind first
 
They may well be bolted on as part of the construction, but they are in the water and therefor add to waterline length, unlike the Z29.

I dont care what they call it, but the fact is they are selling (or trying to) a 24/25ft boat for nearly double what the competition will charge.

Good luck to them but its small and ugly for the money. Interior space will be that of an S25 and much, much smaller than something like the S29. I am sure they will say that the S29 is some £20k more to start and, wow how cheap are we for a 29ft boat, except it isnt a 29ft boat, or even a 27ft boat, and it never will be.

To extrapolate your arguement about other boats, the T37 would have a bathing platform nearly 7ft long if it had the same proportions as the Cranchi. Which it doesnt. Your comparison doesnt stack up.

And before you start thinkning I have a thing against cranchi I dont. A Z34 was high on the list when we bought the V39 - I just think they have badly missed the goal with this one.
 
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Well my dated (as some on here called it) portofino 34 of 1991 vintage has an integral platform /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

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yeah dont remind about this as my friend has one of them, dangerous stuff when you dont know about it....

I see your points in all this Jez, but I think for some builders who markets there boats including the pulpit Cranchi is not doing anything unusuall, as I say you keep on crucifing this model, what you say about price can be on point but it takes 2 years of production to answer this
the 28 Zaffiro was first relased as 25 Perla, funnily enough like that without the b/platform it was hard to sell, when they changed it to 28 Zaff and added the balcony aft the boat started selling double, go to understand the peeps at the show, I dont
your argument was similar when the local guys said about the introduction of the 34 Zaffiro look back in 10 years production and they sold 1100 plus of those, unbeatable to say the least

then you can say but I think for the price they offer the Cranchi quality is always top notch where it counts
and by the way I am not a supporter of Cranchi nor do I own one and never I did, for me there boats have always something missing, I always went close to buy one but never did...
 
Hmm, yes you might be right. It seems my memory is a bit foggy there.

Ok, so the Z34 has a bolt on platform - mia culpa. But, the actual 34 is the boat, as the 34 is actually 37ft over all with the swim platform

And, it was always competitively priced against other 34ft boats.

The crux of my issue with the Z29 is:

a) its ugly, but then beauty is different to all of us so thats not a big issue

b) its very, very expensive for the amount of boat you get. So far this hasnt really been justified. Cockpit and cabin space is the same as a S25/Monticello/Leader 805 but it costs nearly twice as much?????
 
Well I like it! But I am a big Cranchi fan, even though it is a 24ft hulled boat I bet it handles a lot better than the majority of competion! However, it is up against the new Bene Montecarlo 27, which is in my opinion the class leader now in the 28ft category. I know neither boat is every ones cup of tea, and it depends how you use them, but I love them!

Cheers

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what's intresting here is that there is another post just now about old brochers on sport cruisers.
On that post forum members are talking nostalgic about these old designs and the look of them.
Apart from the fact if you like this look or not,
this retro look seems to be a trend !
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I just hitted the drives as they are out underneath not covered a few times on my friends while going down on the water,
the other one who owns also a 34 never did cause he extended his platform for tender stowage and more spac, it is molded not bolted /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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