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I have a 25lb CQR anchor and am looking for some way to store it on deck. I have a Centaur so there is no locker. There is a bracket on the bow for a delta anchor which the CQR will not fit. Any thoughts? I don't know the terminology for the clips to secure to the deck so please forgive my ignorance!
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Because the cqr hinges they can be a devil to handle... and too heavy for swmbo to lift.

If you'r prepared to drill holes in your deck etc.. then the Jimmy Green styled chocks are popular but you still need a method of holding down onto the chocks.... tieing down to the chocks has been known to 'break loose' in a sea but can be the answer.

If you were to buy one of the new generation anchors you would possibly have stowage problems as well but you can get away with a size smaller so swmbo can 'handle' it and imho will be an anchor you can confidently 'sleep on'. :)

S.
 
KS came with the standard white plastic chocks, each with a lanyard attached for lashing down. I never felt our 25lb CQR was in danger of shifting.

Pete
 
Not probably a 'popular' method but many Westerly owners use the bow roller to support the stock of the CQR and use a lanyard tied to the crosspiece in the plough to tilt and secure from rattling. Usually a 6.5mm hole is drilled through the stock to match the holes in the bow roller cheeks, with a drop- nosed pin to secure. This is how mine is secured, but I would remove the anchor to the aft locker if racing, as not allowed generally in the sailing instructions, for it to be mounted as described.
Other methods are for three 4" sq 1" thick teak blocks epoxied to the deck, first one to match the point of the plough, the second block to take the trailing edge of the 'ploughshare' when laid on its side,and the last block beneath the stock with two eyebolts or screws with a lanyard attached to secure the anchor stock. Somewhere I've seen a plastic or nylon version of these, but they needed to be screwed to the deck,which I wouldn't want and I don't think epoxy would suffice being plastic.



ianat182
 
Must be bolted to deck. Quite a bit of force when the boat is pitching. Those above in picture are. Anchor is 35 pound, and fits on roller (but this is spare).
 
We ran out of time last spring before setting off on our cruise so one of the things that wasn't done, was to have a method of securing our anchor.

I would recommend some form of metal fixing to secure the the anchor to solid chocks if you'r going to go into a choppy sea for some time.

Going up through the North Channel in diabolical conditions towards Portpatrick this last summer, our anchor broke free from the bow roller even though I tied it down with three seperate ropes.
It did a fair amount of damage to the gel at the bow under the roller where it swung for an hour or so in conditions too dangerous to warrant going fo'ard to rescue it.

I've since drilled a hole through the shank which lines up with a hole in the s/s sides of the roller assembly and have a drop-nosed pin for it.

S.
 
Lodds said:
. . . There is a bracket on the bow for a delta anchor which the CQR will not fit. Any thoughts?
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I don't want to start an anchor debate, but have you thought of buying a Delta? It would be the easiest to stow and could be a slight upgrade in holding power? The proce difference if you sold your CQR might be similar to the hassle factor in fitting anchor chocks and then using them?
 
Lodds said:
I have a 25lb CQR anchor and am looking for some way to store it on deck. I have a Centaur so there is no locker. There is a bracket on the bow for a delta anchor which the CQR will not fit. Any thoughts? I don't know the terminology for the clips to secure to the deck so please forgive my ignorance!
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I have white plastic chocks similar to the metal ones on the J Green website. Perfectly satisfactory. Id think plastic chocks will be a lot cheaper than the metal ones.

On the Berwick I used to crew we simply laid the anchor on the deck and lashed it to the bottoms of the pulpit uprights. It meant there were a couple of small rust marks on the deck but nothing to get upset about.

The chocks are cheaper than buying a new anchor ( just!) Lashing it to the pulpit feet is cheapest of all and avoids drilling holes in the deck!
 
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TimBennet said:
The price difference if you sold your CQR might be similar to the hassle factor in fitting anchor chocks and then using them?
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Are you sure CQR's are as easy to sell as you intimate. I got £60 for a job lot.... one 25lb CQR and 2 similar 20lb copies..... scrap!

For ocean sailing Ms Pardy says...
"You should consider that anything lashed to the deck as sacrificial".

I know that most of us don't sail oceans regularly but conditions around the U.K. can be pretty horrendous in the wrong place at the wrong time.
http://s725.beta.photobucket.com/us...channel131012_zps883cb799.mp4.html?sort=3&o=3

Bardsey Sound has been known to have waves almost as tall as our mast... however, we went through it when it was like a millpond :)

S.
 
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TimBennet said:
I don't want to start an anchor debate, but have you thought of buying a Delta? It would be the easiest to stow and could be a slight upgrade in holding power? The proce difference if you sold your CQR might be similar to the hassle factor in fitting anchor chocks and then using them?
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+1 if you already have a Delta mount then upgrade the anchor and put the CQR in the for sale section of this site. You'd be surprised what people will pay for second hand boaty stuff.
 
Scotty_Tradewind said:
For ocean sailing Ms Pardy says...
"You should consider that anything lashed to the deck as sacrificial".
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If I remember rightly, though, she was talking about bicycles, windsurfers, jerrycans, and other similar junk that liveaboards tend to festoon their decks with. I'd have thought a well-lashed anchor less likely to be swept away than a surfboard :)

In any case, if you have an older boat with a below-decks chain locker rather than an anchor locker, you don't have much choice. Unshackling the anchor and bringing it below (where it still needs to be lashed down!) might possibly be worth it when setting off across an ocean, but for coastal sailing you'd be increasing risk rather than reducing it.

In fact the sainted Pardeys didn't carry their anchor below, but hanging from the bow roller with the fluke hooked round the bobstay :)

Pete
 
Then another comment: CQR is not the best, unless just right for ones particular bottom. No reason to bolt through for special chocks and such on smaller foredeck (where will you step?) - just a rubber mat (on some glue or even not) and some method to lash it down, to cleats, stanchions, whatever handy. After some time this will be changed for another kind of anchor, no doubt.
 
prv said:
If I remember rightly, though, she was talking about bicycles, windsurfers, jerrycans, and other similar junk that liveaboards tend to festoon their decks with. I'd have thought a well-lashed anchor less likely to be swept away than a surfboard :)

In any case, if you have an older boat with a below-decks chain locker rather than an anchor locker, you don't have much choice. Unshackling the anchor and bringing it below (where it still needs to be lashed down!) might possibly be worth it when setting off across an ocean, but for coastal sailing you'd be increasing risk rather than reducing it.

In fact the sainted Pardeys didn't carry their anchor below, but hanging from the bow roller with the fluke hooked round the bobstay :)

Pete
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Yes but accross oceans imho a fidgetting anchor is more likely to break loose than a shackled or pinned one.

We have a large anchor locker on this boat and had a chain locker via a hawspipe on our previous boat. For both I prefer keeping the anchor on the roller and fixed there but we did notice when a long way out in big seas that the anchor was being smashed by big waves many times in a minute..... hence it chaffed right through one tie and the others gave way more to my poor tieing down than anything else. However, it has justified my modifications I reckon, to drill the shank and put a pin through it with a shackle at the chain end.
 
Scotty_Tradewind said:
Yes but accross oceans imho a fidgetting anchor is more likely to break loose than a shackled or pinned one.
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Indeed - though I'd expect a decent lashing to hold it more immovably (though possibly not as ultimately strongly) than a pin through the shank. Anchors held in that way can often still rock and rattle around a little.

My plans for the new boat are based on what ships do, specifically Stavros whose anchor I've helped handle plenty of times. As well as the windlass, each anchor on the ship has a guillotine and a devil's claw.

The guillotine closes onto a link where it goes into the hawsepipe, and lets the chain come in but not out. I will use a chain stopper that acts similarly, and this is what the boat will ride to if I'm not using a snubber. It would also act as backup to stop the anchor going very far if it came loose while stowed. And, though this isn't why I'm fitting it, it would help in manually raising the gear if the windlass ever conked out.

The devil's claw on the ship hooks onto a link and pulls up tight with a large bottlescrew, to lock the anchor into place in the hawsepipe. I will use a smallish over-centre hook to grab onto the anchor shackle and pull it back along the deck, locking the anchor in place on the roller.

Currently there is nothing to hold the chain except the windlass, and that is fitted through what was a lifting locker lid that's been cut in half and the half with the windlass screwed down with a few self-tappers. So the other step in the plan is to secure all this stuff much more firmly to the boat!

Pete
 
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