MapisM
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Haha, funny.
If your comment was meant to compete in the stupid contribution of the month context, you just got my vote.
Costa Concordia (Titanic 2012)
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If your comment was meant to compete in the stupid contribution of the month context, you just got my vote.
Roberto
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there is a live webcam of the port here
http://it.webcams.travel/webcam/1298809230-Meteo-Isola-del-Giglio-Panoramica-Porto-Giglio-Porto
"it appears" that the ship struck some submerged reefs, then continued sailing and the captain decided to head towards the Giglio port to voluntarily ground the ship there, in order to have better chances for the rescue
that might explain why the breach in the hull is on the opposite side maybe; there is a picture of the opening in the hull with what seems a giant piece of rock inside
http://it.webcams.travel/webcam/1298809230-Meteo-Isola-del-Giglio-Panoramica-Porto-Giglio-Porto
"it appears" that the ship struck some submerged reefs, then continued sailing and the captain decided to head towards the Giglio port to voluntarily ground the ship there, in order to have better chances for the rescue
that might explain why the breach in the hull is on the opposite side maybe; there is a picture of the opening in the hull with what seems a giant piece of rock inside
mjcoon
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Agreed. Reading yacht reviews in YM over the years there often used to be criticism of wide saloons with few handholds. Must be many times worse in a cruise ship where I gather the furniture is, understandably, often not bolted down. Not that I've ever been on one.
But I recognise that the old rule not to abandon a yacht until you step up into the liferaft might not apply to a cruise ship...
Mike.
Twister_Ken
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There's a youtube somewhere of the dining salon of cruise line during a big sea. Furniture and stuff sliding everywhere.
edit: found it
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Searush
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A crew member on BBC Breakfast this morning said that most of the fittings & furniture were flying around causing injuries when it keeled over. Lots of people will have locked their cabin doors & those on the lower decks on the downhill side may well still be there. Deaths will be based on a body count at present, I doubt that they have any real idea how many are unaccounted for yet. Unfortunately, I expect the death toll to be significantly higher.
The risk of these cruises going wrong is probably very low - but the consequences, even in shallow warm(ish) water are devastating. Going over the side (that close to a harbour) with a lifejacket could easily seem like a good option, but I might take my LJ off & just swim with it as a float ahead of me.
The risk of these cruises going wrong is probably very low - but the consequences, even in shallow warm(ish) water are devastating. Going over the side (that close to a harbour) with a lifejacket could easily seem like a good option, but I might take my LJ off & just swim with it as a float ahead of me.
onesea
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+1 I cannot remember how long it takes for emergency lighting to kick in but when it all goes dark that few seconds can feel like an eternity... Particularly with a few thousand panicking passengers.
These ships are designed to sink in such situations. Well sort of, they should of been frantically ballasting down (sinking the ship) to keep the ship upright to allow evacuation of passengers. With unknown damage and allot of panic around all sorts could happen... Could also be she grounded on damaged side then rolled over...
Would seem like a sensible choice, 4000 people is allot to round up and pick up out of the sea...
It is unlikely human error will not be blamed, most navigation mistakes are down to the navigator...
"The weather" well you should of read forecast, "engines broke" well you should of had a plan...
Will be interested in the reports and findings from this one, if the final count is only 3 then it was a well managed incident..
sailorman
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athwart corridors end up as shafts, no escape
longjohnsilver
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Agreed Mario, totally inappropriate. Lives have been lost and no doubt thousands of people in shock. No laughing matter.
reginaldon
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With all the electronic wizardry available to them today, how is it possible? they'd be better using a lead line, a bearing compass and paper chart.
Kukri
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I used to manage a cruise ship; not as big as this one. It was always quite hard to sleep at nights although we had really good people on board, most of whom I knew personally. We never had a death, we did have a broken ankle(elderly Australian lady tripped over a sill).
The number that stays in my mind was that if that ship, an old fashioned pretty looking one, had been holed in way of the engine room to stabiliser flat bulkhead, breaching both compartments, she would have been upside down in a calculated 90 seconds. Which is why we kept the watertight doors closed.
This ship is owned by the Italian subsidiary of Carnival Corporation whose UK subsidiaries are P&O Cruises and Cunard.
I assume that the Italian register will carry out a full investigation and I expect they have already been on the phone to the MAIB, who have an international reputation in these matters, for help with some of the leg work.
At present we don't know if there was a navigational error or a failure of propulsion or steering.
A ship has two emergency lighting circuits; the principal one is run from the emergency generator(s), not located in the engine room, which start(s) automatically, and if that fails there is a battery bank for low level lighting and navaids. I don't recall the maximum angle of heel for operation of these, maybe someone here will.
I think the owners and the crew should be congratulated on the small loss of life, considering that many passengers would have been sleeping at the time.
The number that stays in my mind was that if that ship, an old fashioned pretty looking one, had been holed in way of the engine room to stabiliser flat bulkhead, breaching both compartments, she would have been upside down in a calculated 90 seconds. Which is why we kept the watertight doors closed.
This ship is owned by the Italian subsidiary of Carnival Corporation whose UK subsidiaries are P&O Cruises and Cunard.
I assume that the Italian register will carry out a full investigation and I expect they have already been on the phone to the MAIB, who have an international reputation in these matters, for help with some of the leg work.
At present we don't know if there was a navigational error or a failure of propulsion or steering.
A ship has two emergency lighting circuits; the principal one is run from the emergency generator(s), not located in the engine room, which start(s) automatically, and if that fails there is a battery bank for low level lighting and navaids. I don't recall the maximum angle of heel for operation of these, maybe someone here will.
I think the owners and the crew should be congratulated on the small loss of life, considering that many passengers would have been sleeping at the time.
taifun
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Turkish site with the AIS track. Best info so far.
http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/
http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCIDENTS/74284/Costa-Concordia-accident-navigational-error/
itspaul
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this track from marine traffic is interesting !
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=247158500&zoom=10&olddate=1/13/2012 9:02:00 PM
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?oldmmsi=247158500&zoom=10&olddate=1/13/2012 9:02:00 PM
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reginaldon
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Incredible amount of info. here, Why, oh why did they make such decisions?
Sybarite
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Boy that is some hole! The ship is over 900' long.
Image from the beeb.
I find the shape of the hole very difficult to understand. First the damage is amidships rather than in the bow. Therefore if it were steaming they must have been turning hard to starboard. Then it would appear that a big hole has been punched in rather than a long tear as you might expect.
When you see the AIS chart they really were dicing it with the course they took between two obstacles. See Taifun's post N°31. Welcome to the forum to him by the way.
Boomshanka
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Some more footage of the same event (I think) - not sure why noobs put **** music to these events:
Shows the absolute carnage once they start listing over ~25degs. Can you imagine trying to walk up this floor (it's of the costa concordia) at say 45degs
Kukri
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We can only speculate, but my speculation is that they did not; this could be an error inputting the course to the autopilot or the autopilot disengaging or being dis-engaged un-noticed by the OOW (both have happened) or a course alteration to avoid another vessel with the OOW distracted afterwards and failing to return to the intended track (has also happened).
penfold
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I'm sure the LV lighting circuits will have worked as required, it's just the light they provide is a lot less than the main lighting and if the huddled masses have not been appropriately briefed then the unannounced dimming of the lights may prompt panic, which may well lead to death.
Beadle
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Agree it could be any of these.
My question would be is it just coincidence that the course change directs the ship directly to a narrow passage between two islands?
If it was a collision avoidance course change I would have expected a turn to starboard rather than to port.
Whatever
No doubt the full story will come out in due course.
If the loss of life does not increase from the present 3 I will be surprised.
Kukri
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Agreed on both points; my guess at the course between the islets is that was an attempted escape route, once the initial error had been detected too late.
Sybarite
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I had a look at it on Google Earth. The gap in the rocks that they passed through is only 60m wide and they approached it at an angle. No way they could get through there without hitting.
Serious human error.
The boat is lying at 180° with respect to initial course - ie facing South which suggests the captain did try to turn in towards the island to beach it.
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