Costa Concordia (Titanic 2012)

[Sailfree]

I have been wondering about the capacity of the individual lifeboats used on this ship - there appears to be 9 on each side making a total of 18, if these are required to evacuate only the passengers ( circa 3,000 ) then they would need to carry about 170 people each.

I understand that SOLAS requires that the lifeboats on each side alone should have the capacity to evacuate all the passengers, so they would have to accomodate well over 300 each - is that possible?

IIRC the QM2 lifeboats had a capacity of 220 and were exercised regularly as tenders taking people ashore when draught prevented berthing.

 

[Sailfree]

I think the engines are electric and in the pods. A common configuration is to have 4 pods or so. Two of which are fixed, and two which can be rotated through 360 degrees. I don't think a bow thruster would be fitted to a ship like this as there should be enough manouvrability with the 4 pods.

E.g. port out ahead, starboard outer astern to turn the bow to starboard and then the two other pods at 90 degrees to push the stern to starboard as well for docking to starboard.

There is usually a certain flexibility to switch some generating capacity between propulsion and hotel.

I think you will find it has rotating electric pods at rear and 2 or 3 bow thrusters all powered by electricity so that it can be gently berthed sideways. On QE once it held position with a F8 on the beam at Maderia but the Captain also did have a tug in attendance "just in case".

Cruise ships can't berth etc using just stern pods due to how confined the berthing situation may be.

 

[westernman]

I think you will find it has rotating electric pods at rear and 2 or 3 bow thrusters all powered by electricity so that it can be gently berthed sideways. On QE once it held position with a F8 on the beam at Maderia but the Captain also did have a tug in attendance "just in case".

Cruise ships can't berth etc using just stern pods due to how confined the berthing situation may be.

Why not?

For instance on the QM2. The outer ones in opposite directions will swing the bows - just as on a 40ft catamaran with the engines running in opposite directions. The stern can then be pushed in with the rotatable pods used as a stern thruster.

I have jist found out that the CC has twin shaft drives with a 22MW electric motors on each shaft.

The QM2 has four pods at the stern - the two outer ones are fixed, and the two inner ones can be rotated for steering and maneuvering.

 

[Erik C]

The QM2 has four pods at the stern - the two outer ones are fixed, and the two inner ones can be rotated for steering and maneuvering.

And she has several huge bow thrusters.

 

[Sailfree]

Why not?

For instance on the QM2. The outer ones in opposite directions will swing the bows - just as on a 40ft catamaran with the engines running in opposite directions. The stern can then be pushed in with the rotatable pods used as a stern thruster.

I have jist found out that the CC has twin shaft drives with a 22MW electric motors on each shaft.

The QM2 has four pods at the stern - the two outer ones are fixed, and the two inner ones can be rotated for steering and maneuvering.

I don't think its as easy as you suggested thats why the QM2 has 3 bow thrusters and 1 stern thrust in addition to the 4 electric pods!!

 

[AuntyRinum]

An apt Churchillian quote...I don't know if it's in the thread, too many to read.

'There are 3 things I like about being on an Italian cruise ship. First, their cuisine is unsurpassed. Second, their service is superb. And then, in time of emergency, there is none of this nonsense about women and children first.'

It was Noel Coward who said that.

 

[taifun]

Filling in the blanks in the Ais track.....
Here is a link to the actual gps track of CC.
http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/naufragio-giglio-costa-concordia/la-rotta-della-concordia-minuto-per-minuto-il-tracciato-gps/86139?video
A Google translation from the link above.

The detailed reconstruction of the route of the Costa Concordia on the night of January 13. The track was produced by Dutch company QPS - specializes in navigation software - based on the GPS information of the ship.

No real surprises by now, but still quite interesting!
Thanks Marco for the link.

 

[[2068]]

Not sure if this has been posted already:
Shows the track.

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/articolo_app.php?id=44383&sez=HOME_INITALIA

 

[eigerwand]

http://gcaptain.com/grave-imprudenc...-inquiry-into-costa-concordia-disaster/?37904

Preliminary court transcript on gcaptain....

 

[VicS]

Not sure if this has been posted already:
Shows the track.

http://www.ilmessaggero.it/articolo_app.php?id=44383&sez=HOME_INITALIA

That is brilliant!

If it had already been posted I'd missed it

 

[avb3]

Play by play AIS of disaster with commentary

I don't think this has been posted yet.

http://gcaptain.com/gcaptains-john-konrad-narrates-the-final-maneuvers-of-the-costa-concordia-video/

 

[VicS]

I don't think this has been posted yet.

http://gcaptain.com/gcaptains-john-konrad-narrates-the-final-maneuvers-of-the-costa-concordia-video/

The commentary is new but the clearest video is the one in Flower Power's link above.

 

[ProDave]

I don't think this has been posted yet.

http://gcaptain.com/gcaptains-john-konrad-narrates-the-final-maneuvers-of-the-costa-concordia-video/

You can say what you like about the captain for making the original b@lls up.

But it does appear he had the presence of mind to find a way to bring a crippled ship into the shore and to shallow water.

His actions no doubt saved many lives.

 

[VicS]

His actions no doubt saved many lives.

His actions cost far too many lives, put the lives of several thousand at risk and resulted in the loss of several hundred million dollars worth of ship!

 

[SHUG]

Very interesting commentary BUT is there really a 0.7knot current in that area?

 

[Boomshanka]

13 lifeboats on each side for a total of 26, plus several liferafts.

Now this triggers some information about the numbers:

13 were the bridges named after the 13 European countries.

She sank Friday 13/1/2012, 99 year and 9 months after the Titanic, 999 turned upside down is 666.

Friday 13/10/1307 all Templar knights were arrested. Giglio (Lily) is one of the symbols most used by Rosa Croce Masons.

And the bottle of bubbly didn't break on launch

 

[avb3]

You can say what you like about the captain for making the original b@lls up.

But it does appear he had the presence of mind to find a way to bring a crippled ship into the shore and to shallow water.

His actions no doubt saved many lives.

Maybe. Would all have been gotten off board if the ship didn't list and all the life boats could have been lowered? What if he had anchored?

Not an expert, but it seems to me that it is better for the ship to be upright, even in deeper water. Let's face it, he was never far from land.

 

[westernman]

Very interesting commentary BUT is there really a 0.7knot current in that area?

It would not surpise me. Where I am the water swirls around the Golf de Lion and the current off the headland at the end is often more than 1 knot. If there has been a gale blowing for a week, then it can be as much as 2 knots.

 

[Bajansailor]

I think you will find it has rotating electric pods at rear and 2 or 3 bow thrusters all powered by electricity so that it can be gently berthed sideways.

I think that Minn had mentioned earlier, and Wiki appears to confirm (in 'General Characteristics), that Costa Concordia has fairly 'conventional' shaft driven propellers :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia

 

[david_bagshaw]

clear gps track

very clear track on QPS site, the originators of the other pictures

http://www.qps.nl/display/qastor/2012/01/17/20120117_stranding