outtametree
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Working out an offer for a used boat & was wondering if someone could give me an idea of cost for standing rigging on a 44 foot yacht? 
Cost of Standing Rigging
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Tranona
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Difficult to say if you don't say the size wire, number of stays, type of terminals, whether you are including rigging screws and unstepping/stepping mast.
You can get a good idea of the material cost by using the data on the Jimmy Green website, although there are cheaper suppliers.
It is going to be a lot of £££s - guess well over £2k so better to get an accurate quote as it could make a significant difference to your offer for the boat.
You can get a good idea of the material cost by using the data on the Jimmy Green website, although there are cheaper suppliers.
It is going to be a lot of £££s - guess well over £2k so better to get an accurate quote as it could make a significant difference to your offer for the boat.
outtametree
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Ok thanks, viewing at the weekend so have a better look then. It's over 10 years old, so probably needs all of it replacing?
My best guess, from the photo's I've seen is 4 each side of 10-12mm, 1 forward & 1 aft that splits into 2 around half way down, also 10-12mm.
As I'm new to sailing, but from an engineering background, that's all the info I can gather at the moment.
My best guess, from the photo's I've seen is 4 each side of 10-12mm, 1 forward & 1 aft that splits into 2 around half way down, also 10-12mm.
As I'm new to sailing, but from an engineering background, that's all the info I can gather at the moment.
AngusMcDoon
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You can price up each item on Jimmy Green's website. Then take 25% off the total price for the same thing from an industrial rigging supplier like S3i. That of course doesn't include crane costs and rigger time to fit it.
Tranona
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Should not need replacing unless the boat has been heavily used/raced. Keep in the back of your mind £2-3k, but on a boat that size/value there are other things to pay more attention to. If you do see anything that rings alarm bells then it is something for the surveyor to look at specifically, or get a specialist rig survey. Riggers are usually pretty good at giving you an assessment.
outtametree
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Cool! Though I was under the impression that insurance could be a problem if the standing rigging is over 10 years old.
Tranona
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Bit of an old wives tale. Some insurance companies do make that stipulation, but usually it is boat specific and related to history and usage rather than a general rule. If you like the rest of the boat and go forward to a survey, see what that throws up and get quotes for insurance based on the survey - If they come back and insist on rig replacement that is a bargaining point for a price reduction. However, unlikely to come to that.
BTW jumping into a 44 footer is bit extreme - you may find getting a surveyor engaged early on in the process to advise you on what to look for. That size of boat is a major undertaking.
BTW jumping into a 44 footer is bit extreme - you may find getting a surveyor engaged early on in the process to advise you on what to look for. That size of boat is a major undertaking.
BAtoo
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Guesstimate £2-3K, biggest factor will be if all new terminals needed or existing ones re-used, if all new terminals needed then maybe even £4-5K
outtametree
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Thanks for the responses. It's only me thats a novice sailor. My wife & her family have been sailing for decades & participate in the fastnet from time to time. My brother in law on a regular basis. Plus we're going to be living aboard, taking our time (or mine to be honest) getting to know the ropes, before retiring to warmer climbs!
npf1
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£2-£3k seems unrealistically low to me.
Sure it’s a job where savings can be made by DIY and by not replacing certain items but it’s one of those jobs IMHO, that unless you know what you’re doing, it’s best done with the help of the pros.
I've just had my main mast done on a ketch that’s bigger than the boat you mention but the mast size is probably not far of a sloop of 44ft, so the prices may not be significantly different.
Mine took 180m of 10mm wire, 32 swages or swageless fittings, 16 rigging screws, tangs X rayed, numerous pins, etc. etc. The retail price of the materials alone was way more than the £2-3k estimate posted above and that’s before the labour, cranage etc.
Replacing only the wire and keeping everything else, if done professionally, isn't going to be much below £5k. You’d be safer preparing yourself for £7k, particularly if it makes a difference to your purchase.
Or just call a few riggers and ask for the total bill for boats of that size that they’ve recently done.
But, as someone else has also mentioned, try to find out the boat's history so you can have an informed chat with your proposed insurance company to see what they say. My rigging was last done in 1994, but I did have plenty of evidence for the insurance company that the boat had been very lightly used when I took ownership nine years later.
Sure it’s a job where savings can be made by DIY and by not replacing certain items but it’s one of those jobs IMHO, that unless you know what you’re doing, it’s best done with the help of the pros.
I've just had my main mast done on a ketch that’s bigger than the boat you mention but the mast size is probably not far of a sloop of 44ft, so the prices may not be significantly different.
Mine took 180m of 10mm wire, 32 swages or swageless fittings, 16 rigging screws, tangs X rayed, numerous pins, etc. etc. The retail price of the materials alone was way more than the £2-3k estimate posted above and that’s before the labour, cranage etc.
Replacing only the wire and keeping everything else, if done professionally, isn't going to be much below £5k. You’d be safer preparing yourself for £7k, particularly if it makes a difference to your purchase.
Or just call a few riggers and ask for the total bill for boats of that size that they’ve recently done.
But, as someone else has also mentioned, try to find out the boat's history so you can have an informed chat with your proposed insurance company to see what they say. My rigging was last done in 1994, but I did have plenty of evidence for the insurance company that the boat had been very lightly used when I took ownership nine years later.
Norman_E
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Ok thanks, viewing at the weekend so have a better look then. It's over 10 years old, so probably needs all of it replacing?
My best guess, from the photo's I've seen is 4 each side of 10-12mm, 1 forward & 1 aft that splits into 2 around half way down, also 10-12mm.
As I'm new to sailing, but from an engineering background, that's all the info I can gather at the moment.
Measure the wire, my slightly bigger boat is all 10mm except for intermediate shrouds and the split lower backstay which are 8mm. On a 44 foot boat 12 mm would make a pretty bulletproof rig. What type of boat is it? Someone here probably has one unless it is a one off.
outtametree
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Sorry should have already metioned that. It's a late 80's Bavaria 44.
merlin3688
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If you base on 12 and 10mm wires and use good quality rigging screws (Sta Lok or similar) you would be paying about 4k to re-rig her, a large part of this cost is rigging screws which do not always need to be replaced. This price does not include de-rigging or stepping.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
