Container vessel abandoned mid atlantic.

lenseman said:
UPDATE just in:

EASTERN NORTH ATLANTIC.

NUMEROUS CONTAINERS ADRIFT VICINITY 47° 52.4'N 009° 37.0'W AT 08 AUG 2012 at 1950UTC

The above location suggests that they are from MSC Flaminia either jettisoned or slipped over the side due to listing?

Specifically posted for Roberto. ;)
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Hello David,
thank you very much for that :)

I arrived in Lorient two days ago, it took ten days from Horta, 1200ish miles.
A stationary low around 25W - 50N made the southern/rhumb route a lot better, fair winds all the time though I had to motor 1.5 days to get out of the Açores High and the final 1.5 days as there was no gradient at all between that low and the high above the UK.

I checked the position you indicated above and am glad we passed about 100 miles to the SE of it. :)

regards
roberto
 
How can they declare a general average when its the ships head office and the captain that have put it in this position ?, it could have been safely in a port weeks ago had they not messed about towing it in circles

Surely all the blame and the resulting losses should be put firmly on the shipping company and they lack of decisive action
 
TopDonkey said:
How can they declare a general average when its the ships head office and the captain that have put it in this position ?, it could have been safely in a port weeks ago had they not messed about towing it in circles

Surely all the blame and the resulting losses should be put firmly on the shipping company and they lack of decisive action
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I think you will find that because there was an explosion which cannot be accounted for, no port will take then in therefore they are out past ten west just waiting for the political manoeuvrings to be completed whenever that may be? :confused:

General Average is a little unfair on the owners of containers towards the stern as they now will share the burden of loss even though their cargo is undamaged and just await an unloading once in port.

Meanwhile she drifts along under an Answering Pennant + Flag 'D' which cannot be good in storm Force 10 conditions!
 
Interesting - the link you posted says this:

General average requires three elements which are clearly stated by Mr. Justice Grier in Barnard v. Adams:

"1st. A common danger: a danger in which vessel, cargo and crew all participate; a danger imminent and apparently 'inevitable,' except by voluntarily incurring the loss of a portion of the whole to save the remainder."
"2nd. There must be a voluntary jettison, jactus, or casting away, of some portion of the joint concern for the purpose of avoiding this imminent peril, periculi imminentis evitandi causa, or, in other words, a transfer of the peril from the whole to a particular portion of the whole."
"3rd. This attempt to avoid the imminent common peril must be successful".
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My emphasis.

I haven't read anything so far that suggests there has been a voluntary sacrificing of any part of the cargo in order to save the rest. Have I missed something?
 
bbg said:
Interesting - the link you posted says this:

My emphasis.

I haven't read anything so far that suggests there has been a voluntary sacrificing of any part of the cargo in order to save the rest. Have I missed something?
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See my message #194 then have a re-think? :rolleyes:

She gets towed or floats for nearly a month ans all of a sudden, just west of Brest, there are "a large number of containers" (floating in the sea)?

Call me a cynic? :rolleyes:
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lenseman said:
See my message #194 then have a re-think? :rolleyes:
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I had read #194. It is complete speculation that the containers in the water are due to jetissoning. #195 and #196 suggest that the containers are unlikely to have been jetissoned intentionally.

Is there any evidence that the containers have been jetissoned?
 
bbg said:
I had read #194. It is complete speculation that the containers in the water are due to jetissoning. #195 and #196 suggest that the containers are unlikely to have been jetissoned intentionally.

Is there any evidence that the containers have been jetissoned?
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central stack looks to be missing here

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Mad Pad said:
Another bloody mess,should have been in a port weeks ago,in a controlled situation.
Now it's going to sink,releasing the lot uncontrolled into the ocean
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It does look suspicious if no port will let her in, nor even approach the coast into relatively sheltered waters. Someone must know by now what is onboard that is causing the outbreak of caution.

Maybe she's carrying some humanitarian aid and other "toys" for the Syrian rebels -- of the kind that goes whooosh-kaboom !!! Or maybe just some dangerous chemicals or whatever.

Wouldn't want that lot near any population centre, if that's what she's carrying.

Plomong
 
lenseman said:
The fire started in Number 4 hold and I have heard unofficially that the cause just might be Calcium Hypochlorite which carries the great known risk of self combustion. Apparently, it has been the most common form of fire on box ships over the past decades! :eek:
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lenseman suggested nearly a month ago that the ship might have some pretty combustable items on board.
Anybody know for sure what's on board? Presumably the owners might...
 
Plomong said:
It does look suspicious if no port will let her in, nor even approach the coast into relatively sheltered waters. Someone must know by now what is onboard that is causing the outbreak of caution.

Maybe she's carrying some humanitarian aid and other "toys" for the Syrian rebels -- of the kind that goes whooosh-kaboom !!! Or maybe just some dangerous chemicals or whatever.

Wouldn't want that lot near any population centre, if that's what she's carrying.

Plomong
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I suspect that they are just weighing up the cost to the insurers of bringing her in, paying the dockyard, paying for the tugs, sorting the cargo, fixing and or disposing of the ship in a environmentally friendly manner.... Versus just letting the damn thing sink in deep international waters. And shelling out the value of the hull and cargo...

Cheaper by far I would suspect to prevaricate enough until nature takes her course....
 
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