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[Mike21]

Without fail, almost every week there seems to be a post on scuttlebuck, complaining about mobo wash and suggesting that if mobo-ers when on yachts they would realise the effects.
Sorry, been on yachts couple of times a 26ft and a 38ft, don't get it./forums/images/icons/frown.gif
Now I can see only two reasons for this
1) Compared to mobos, effects on yachts seem to be negligable OR
2) Jealousy on the part of yotties that we get tied up and into the pub before they do/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Any one know different??????

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[hlb]

One of the big problems with raggies is they cant see where there going most of the time. This is a good reason why every one else has to give way to them. Not only that, but they never look behind them either. There oblivious in there one little world. First they know of a passing boat ,is when the wash hits them. There not ready for it, or prepared.

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Haydn

 

[boatless]

Speaking for myself, it's definitely jealousy.

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[Gludy]

Yes, I agree raggies don't look even when its a massive ship, probably with restricted ability to manouvre and having right of way, coming up behind them.

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[BarryH]

I'm going to go against the grain here. Theres been more than one occasion when a mobo has come past me, and yes I have looked behind, at its max displacement speed. Most boats over the 30 odd foot mark kick up a hell of a was around the 10-12 knot mark.
Half of them don't even realise that they're doing it. Espesially if they're purched up on the flybridge. From that vantage point the wash looks less offensive. For other water users closer to sea level have a true aspect of the wash.
Was there not a tread on here a while ago about a guy who got abuse because he went passed a guy working in a dinghy at max displacement speed.
He was saying that he couldn't see the prob as he couldn't see the bow wave from up on the flybridge.

I often sail and often see mobo's not "see" the so called probs their wash causes at times. It is more of a problem in resrticted channels. The Swash springs to mind. On a sunny weekend on sat morning theres so many wash's coming from all directions that even smaller mobo's heve to keep a weary eye out.



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[hlb]

I'll keep a weary eye out. Too Barry..../forums/images/icons/laugh.gif




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Haydn

 

[Moose]

I agree, and what is all this rubbish about not being able to manouver at low speeds?? A motorboat is always going to be more manouverable at 6kts compared to 15kts or above. For a start you can stop in an instant! Ok the rudders may not have much effect but most culprits have twin engined boats so there is no problem there. If the "wash maker" has a single engined boat it is going to be either a fast cuddy thing <28ft or a Displacment boat <35ft, at slow speed surely they are not going to create any wash and they are still going to be manouverable enough to avoid most hazards (ie yachts tacking across them or dinghys), if they are not they will still be able to stop quickly. I believe that the most important factor in being "manouverable" is the ability to stop quickly, if you can stop then you are not going to hit anything.

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[[2068]]

...or at least if you do hit it, it will be going slowly enough not to lock antlers.


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[Mollari]

FROM MRS MOLLARI

I have been reading these posts about MOBOs v Raggies and I have to say I am definitely confused. Forgive me if I am wrong, but isn't sailing in any type of boat about the challenge of the sea. If you only want to potter then buy a river boat and do the broads. I am not what you would call a thrill seeker, but I love the feel of the boat being thrown about. I have sailed, canadian canoed and now own a very slow MOBO, but it seems from reading these threads that most of the incidents commented on relating to "sailing" in areas such as the solent, small areas with no challenge, little space and overcrowding. (God sounds like Tescos on a Saturday morning/forums/images/icons/smile.gif)

I often watch yacht races and these sailors are magnificient, the boats get thrown around and the challenge is to keep them uprightish, keep them going and win the race, no matter what. I,m sure the last thing on their minds is the effect of wake caused by other boats. (Yes I am aware that a 40ft sports cruiser is not going through at 35 knots).

So my suggestion is that those boats that want to race around at reckless speeds, take it out into the open and really enjoy the space that is out there. As for "raggies" (what an awful term). With the magnificience of a sail boat, sail it, don't just potter around, slowly tacking from side to side in busy water basins and then moaning that your being rocked. How do you cope if the weather suddenly changes (remember most of you are in England) and you are faced with waves, do you complain to the gods.

And as a closing statement (thank god I hear you cry). If sail boats are unable to move under sail power, do they suddenly become MOBOS because they have to rely on an engine for propulsion. It seems that there are very few true sailboats out there today, some even have 200hp plus engines, which is far more then I have.

REMEMBER SAILING IS ABOUT ATTEMPTING TO TAME THE SEA, NOT EACH OTHER.

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[PaulF]

Hi Mike,

I now have a co owner who is both an ex mobo skipper, sailed for 20+ years and is now a mobo skipper again. He tells me, and my sailing experience was really limited to crewing in a 420 some 30 years ago so I take his word, one of the annoying things for a sailing boat is: when sailing in light wind it takes a while to get a sailing boat trimmed to the optimum, so when hit by significant wash the boat will rock significantly and this can actually emty the sails and the boat will stop. He then has to start again., and again every time he gets significant wash. So after the passsing of say six motor boats it is not surprizing they get a bit miffed. I am told this is really only a problem in light winds so in a F3 or above should not be a problem. When in a stiff wind the power of the wind gives the incredible stability to a sailing boat. this just isn't there in very light conditions. I just try to give them as much space as reasonable, and pass leeward side and behind if possible.

Many sailing people also have no idea that we can be plotting our way through a string of sailing boats at up to half a mile or more ahead, they seem only to think about their own very close ,'local bit of water', we cant do that at 20+knots without causing chaos.

We need more swapping of experiences, but judging by the antics of some of the Cowes week RIB skippers, whose antics have been appalling, including when going at close quarters to moored craft, it may not always prove fruitful.

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[tome]

PaulF

Yes, quite correct - it's only light winds where there's a problem. The other thing is that once above F3ish the chop of the sea tends to dampen out any wake very quickly and the stability of the boat improves, as you say.

The other time it's difficult is when working at the boom. It's impossible to lock the boom on most boats, so there will always be side to side movement. When lowering or reefing the mainsail, it can be very difficult to keep your balance in any wash as you are hanging onto a swinging monster from the highest point of the deck. So if you see us on deck near the boom, I for one would be really appreciative of a slow speed and good clearance. This isn't a problem with sails which furl into the mast as they can be put away from the cockpit.

In return, I'll never tack without looking behind me for boats coming up, and have no problems whatsoever in seeing you blast past me in open waters. In fact, I rather enjoy seeing it except as stated.

Tom


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[DONEby]

Let’s face it; we all think we know about boats?/forums/images/icons/smile.gif
No we don’t. I am an ex sailor but now I am a Motor/Boater. I was out this weekend with friends, going from Lowestoft to GT Yarmouth and have been hit by 2 big Brooms and a small one. /forums/images/icons/frown.gifWhy? Well you have tide and wind, and would you know it, it moves boats, O yes it does, even if you have bow thrusters. If you are reading this you know who you are? And I was moored up at the time. I have been told to slow down by boaters at times, but I have been turning a bend in the river, and yes we had wind, err no I mean it was windy at the time and if I had slowed down I would not have had any control on the boat as it was a Fairline with no keel and one engine, but they didn’t know that.
So we don’t know what’s what at times, do we!
Yes we did have a great weekend, it was the Fairline Holiday Club Inaugural Rally, and yes there are other boats in the Club including sailing boats.

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[Peppermint]

Re: Can we get away from the speed thing

If your boat makes less wash at thirty knots than at 10 knots then I'll love you all the more if your doing 30 knots.

The other thing is why do you do all that whizzing around in circles?

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[Sunnyseeker]

Can I put my oar in so to speak? Just to say I dont think its a big problem, but on a yacht you can get injuries as a result.
Another thought whilst your almost at the pub , we are putting the kettle on for a coffee as weve still got 4 hours to go, I dont think power boats cook at sea much?
If your downstairs pouring hot water when the wash hits you might be tempted to complain?
The wash is only a real problem to the yacht/dinghy in lighter winds, and thats when all the power boats come out to play cos the seas flat (ish)..
Waves give a predictable motion wash doesn't..
On a yacht there can often be crew working on the foredeck, handling sails ropes and spinnaker poles, which is tricky enough in a regular wave motion, your also concentrating on the sail, trying not to fall in or lose your fingers(why do we do it?)
The helmsman is also concentrating on sail trim and wind angle to keep the boat going and make life easier for those (me) on the foredeck, when wash hits you you almost have to drop the sail/rope/pole and hold on tight, the smaller the yacht the bigger the problem...even worse there are jobs that need to be done up the mast on moorings or tied to a wall or anchored, very few power boats look out for the person up the mast. If wash hits when your up a 16m mast you really know it and have bruises to prove it afterwards....Again its normally the calm light wind days when these jobs are done...
I actually dont think it happens often but if could get my hands on the power boat driver that went past when I was up the mast about 5 years ago, trying to change the mast head light I'd...

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[DONEby]

Let’s face it; we all think we know about boats?/forums/images/icons/smile.gif
No we don’t. I am an ex sailor but now I am a Motor/Boater. I was out this weekend with friends, going from Lowestoft to GT Yarmouth and have been hit by 2 big Brooms and a small one. /forums/images/icons/frown.gifWhy? Well you have tide and wind, and would you know it, it moves boats, O yes it does, even if you have bow thrusters. If you are reading this you know who you are? And I was moored up at the time. I have been told to slow down by boaters at times, but I have been turning a bend in the river, and yes we had wind, err no I mean it was windy at the time and if I had slowed down I would not have had any control on the boat as it was a Fairline with no keel and one engine, but they didn’t know that.
So we don’t know what’s what at times, do we!
Yes we did have a great weekend, it was the Fairline Holiday Club Inaugural Rally, and yes there are other boats in the Club including sailing boats.

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[Peppermint]

Re: And

Why do so many of you go around in gangs? I know one make of boat has a "Squadron" brand but it doesn't mean you have to travel in formation.

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[Bejasus]

AAaaRRrrGGggHHhh..................................

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[PaulF]

Hey Tom thanks,
That is useful re working on furling sails onto a boom. I have never been in that situation, so wasn't aware and obviously had never thought about it.

So, the more we relate about each others' sport the better it will be for all of us.

Have a good weekend.

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[Bejasus]

actually Paul, you're dead right, happily this is turning into an awareness thread, as opposed to the way the one on Scuttlebutt started out.

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[johnsail]

Surprised YOU managed to spot that one!

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