ColRegs on Scuttlebutt

[Planty]

If you haven't done already, do have a look at the post on Scuttlebutt about ColRegs, I found it very informative and absorbing reading. Taught me a few things too. Some very balanced comment and unfortunately the "we're right" attitude on a rare occasion but very educational IMHO. Paul

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

I've been foolowing it too but I found the attitude of some of our yottie chums to be appalling. This attitude that 'power gives way to sail' seemingly under all circumstances is just rubbish. There are a number of situations described in the ColRegs which many yotties just seem to ignore. For example

Rule 9A - "A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable" Why is it that yotties think its OK to tack across narrow channels or steer along the port side of a narrow channel especially in contravention of local bye-laws?

Rule 9d - " A vessel shall not cross a narrow channel or fairway if such crossing impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within such channel or fairway" The Solent in particular is full of yotties blithely sailing across the bows of large commercial vessels and often ignoring the local moving exclusion zone regulations

Rule 3c - " The term "sailing vessel" means any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used." This one is univerally ignored. When a sailing boat is under power even when its sails are hoisted it is a power driven vessel under the ColRegs and should observe the rules for power driven vessels just like a motor boat

Seems to me that many of our yottie friends could do with some compulsory training as well

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[jimi]

Could'nt agree more and I'm a wee raggie!

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[Andrew_Fanner]

And lets not get started on dinghies in Chi Harbour, or indeed anywhere else. Perhaps they should be taught that breach of racing regs may get you disqualified, breach of ColRegs could get you injured/dead.

Which is worse, a fleet of racing dinghies or a few PWCs?

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[Talbot]

A reasonable list of rules, but you missed a good one. If a mobo is being overtaken by a yacht, the vessel being overtaken is the stand-on vessel!. If you think this will never happen, consider the speeds of the big multihulls (sustained averages of over 20 knots - ask Ellen/forums/images/icons/smile.gif)

There is another: All craft must give way to a yacht if it is racing - must be true, cause all these racing boats seem to assume it!

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[MainlySteam]

I am thinking of changing to being a MoBo owner in order to be able to keep better company - and move to this forum which may be bad news for you lot though /forums/images/icons/smile.gif.

John

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[Mike21]

What was reassuring was the number of yotties on scuttlebutt who didn't prescribe to that premise of 'power gives way to sail' under all circumstances.

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[beachbum]

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"If a mobo is being overtaken by a yacht, the vessel being overtaken is the stand-on vessel!. If you think this will never happen..."

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- happens all the time when the mobo is a motoring yacht!

The other thing some of us raggies often seem to forget is that, as far as col regs are concerned, there is no such thing as motor-sailing - if the engine's running, you're motoring.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

I've had the dubious privelege of being overtaken by a yacht under sail myself, in fact quite a few times on one particular holiday when I managed to damage both props in a grounding and the only way that the boat would'nt shake itself to bits was to proceed everywhere at idle speed on the starboard engine only

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Yes but there seems to be a sizeable minority who do think that but then I suppose there are dorks on both sides of the yottie/mobo fence

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[msimms]

Being a novice I find the dinghies en-masse the most difficult to predict and the most stressful part of the trip from Marina (Chichester) to Solent. Hopefully as my experience grows their sailing patterns will seem less random and I'll be able to pick my way through without the panic attacks experienced at present.

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[KevB]

Being overtaken

Happens a lot in Chi harbour, MAX speed for mobo's is 8 knots, no max speed for saily type craft.

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[Mike21]

Nope,sailing patterns will still be random, but the panic attacks should subside/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

I find if you do your best to avoid them and you dont roar through the middle of them at speed, they're appreciative of any effort you make to keep out of their way and they will steer to avoid you anyway in a close quarters situation

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[Peppermint]

Re: In gear surely nm

nm

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[KevB]

Racing dinghys

Came down Chi Harbour on Saturday and there was a load of the sleek looking wooden sailing boats with their start line right across the channel, between Ichenor and Chidham peninsular. Absolutely no way to get past as they were all sailing across the channel waiting for the start. Had to go around outside of the channel markers to get by (down to only 3.4ft of water). Thankfully the Harbour Master went and had a word with their race control boat.

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[KevB]

just charging the batteries??

Very good/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[Planty]

I agree there is a fair bit of "attitude" shown most weekends you're out, particularly in Solent (Hamble especially). I have to admit though, that I now just accept that no matter what the rights and wrongs of a situation I am in the wrong! For It is written, "You do not have a mast therefore you are in the wrong!"
Wrong Place, Wrong Time, Wrong Speed, Wrong Direction, doesn't matter just Wrong! Any given scenario, Wrong. Just like the Kuran/Bible/Scriptures, the ColRegs can be manipulated to prove, .....MOBO?.......=Wrong!! possibly even Guilty!!!

It certainly seems easier than getting upset about "attitude", submissive, yes, but easier. Only time I don't concede now is perhaps when entering, circa 8-9am, a river, well over to Starboard and all the Masts are leaving 4 or 5 abreast, all under motor and all over the channel. I position myself correctly and proceed as slowly as possible, now they can either hit 12 tonne of fibreglass or miss it, I aint moving, their call! Otherwise just relax into a blissful state of Wrongness. Paul

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[powerskipper]

Re: Col Regs on Scuttlebutt

When I am Playing "thumps and bumps" with students [ nick name for mooring practise only] . This is normally in the Hamble river, visitors mid river pontoons or Cowes around east Cowes marina, I will talk though with students when to leave the berth and do use a lot of Hand signals to approaching boats as to what we are doing, 90% of them are very helpfully and will alter course to give us room.
The ones that cause me interruptions to intended planed manoeuvres are normally the small tenders or work boats. That zip under your bow or across your stern with just a few feet to spare./forums/images/icons/frown.gif

I do use hand signals a lot to tell or ask boats there intended course if it is not clear where they are going. And do use large boat course changes to tell approaching vessels where we are going.
I have had many students ask why not fit indicators to boats, I just say more fun to wave./forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Vara]

Re: Col Regs on Scuttlebutt

Good call,most of the situations which have been dicussed recently on this and other forums seem to have occured at close quarters and a shout or a hand signal could have resolved the problem.(Within or without the Coll Regs).

RANT: Mobos vs Raggies,in my short time on the water I have observed that the proportions of idiots,incompetent,and downright objectionable are evenly distributed through all subgroups of people who use the water,but that the vast majority are people who enjoy our pastime with consideration and care.

PHEW,glad I got that off my chest without offense(I hope/forums/images/icons/smile.gif)



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