Coll regs & Shipping lanes

[Guest]

Re: CGG + Western

We were allowed 1 litre per person per day !!

I delivered the Orion Arctic to the UK yobs from Galveston many years ago - they promptly had a fire on her off the North of Scotland.

Life was interesting on CGG boats ..... Brit / Spanish Mariners, French Nav's / tech's. The Chef de Mission was always trouble for any sensible seaman !!!! They couldn't seem to understand boats cant do somethings !!!


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[tome]

Re: CGG + Western

Don't tell me you were one of those nervous drivers that wouldn't take her into less than 20m? Know Galveston well - the Hayling Island of Texas.

Party Chiefs are trouble to all crew, that's what we pay them for!

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[Guest]

Use of VHF instead of doing the obvious

Boy oh Boy .... how many times do you hear about use the VHF to call up and ask intentions etc.

In 17 yrs at sea - belierve me the amount of mistaken identitys and time wasted on this tactic is outstanding ..... prudent use of the rudder is the better tactic.

Bold and visible action that cannot be misunderstood is the order of the day ...... don't just do a measly few degrees that couldn't be detected - do it boldly and large. Let there be no confusion ...... show the other face !! turn away and let him know that you have been a nice guy.

Action before wasting time on VHF - which often leads to wrong people talking to each other and then the real problems start.

Its a pity that many cannot actually stand on the bridge of a ship and sail down the channel and see yachts etc. - then you would understand just how hard it is to see early enough .... thats without fog etc.

You as the yottie will see the ship LONG before he sees you .... use that advantage to keep out of trouble - regardless of who should stand on etc.

You want to be a Hero - pity the poor RNLI etc. that will have to come and fetch you from the oggin .....


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[Guest]

Re: CGG + Western

Me - I had no trouble, I'd do as I was asked - subject to a bit of quiet whisper in his ear etc.

We lost the tail buoy in Gulf Of Mex. one time and the Party Chief decided that one of the Tidewater Tugs on its way to a rig would collect it for us ..... to me that was an insult !!! So I called the Nav room and said that they should keep an eye on cable, bring to surface and we would collect our own buoy ..... thats exactly what we did ..... Party Chief then radio'd out that HE had done it !!!! Yeh my arse !!!!
Saved 'em I reckon about 12 hours ......


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[StugeronSteve]

Re: Use of VHF instead of doing the obvious

"Use that advantage to keep out of trouble-regardless of who should stand on etc"

My point exactly, To plough on into close quarters just because you have right of way is sheer lunacy. The col regs say nothing about preventing you exercising your right to alter course. Do it early and clearly though, if your looking up at his bows you might as well stand on and be proven right at your own inquest.

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[doris]

Turning to port

I thought that one is allowed to turn to port, it's called a bold course change in good time so a collision situation never arises. Thereby preventing a score of Bulk carriers 1, raggies nil.

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[jimi]

Re: Turning to port

Of course but never at closer quarters. Really point I was trying to say is that often it would be nice to dip behind a ship by a slight turn to port and save a lot of hassle & time. Within current CR that would be a no no in case the ship quite rightly turns to starboard to go behind you. However if the ship was obliged to hold course knowing you were obligated to avoid him (in clear vis of course) then it might save a lot of "is he is'nt he moments" and paralelling until clear.

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[doris]

Re: Turning to port

A bold turn to port, once made does not have to be held. Once the indication has been given one can come up again. In close quarters there is no reason why you should not do a 180 for a couple of mins, the point would be v. obvious. He who fights and runs away etc......IMvHO of course

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[Oldhand]

Re: Use of VHF instead of doing the obvious

Only 17 years at sea? Still a learner then. Have any of those 17 years been as a professional watch-keeper on a ship? Or does just shouting loudly on a forum for amateurs make you feel self important?

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[tome]

Re: Use of VHF instead of doing the obvious

Oldhand

Lighten up a bit - agree Nigels style can be a bit shouty (he's bound to wear out that exclamation mark on his keyboard soon) but there's room for all of us here.

I expect if we all met face to face we wouldn't find each other such a bad lot.

Best wishes
Tom

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[StugeronSteve]

Re: Turning to port

How a rule change would be worded I have no idea. How will the rule book differentiate between a modern manoeuvrable sloop and maybe a tall ship. The rules were never drawn up for the interaction of small yachts and super tankers, but they do give a clear framework for us all to operate by, with no ambiguity about whether, or not, we are in a main shipping route (not TSS). Common sense, self preservation and good pragmatic seamanship tends to keep most of us out of trouble for most of the time. I may be very wrong but I am sure the skipper of the containership I met in the Western Solent on Sunday was far happier to see me haul my wind and cross behind him, than have me stand on and exercise my rights under the Col Regs, as some are seeming to advocate.

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[Chris_Rayner]

Re: Container ship in W. Solent

Wouldn't he have been constrained by his draught there? I'd expect to see him showing a cylinder, unless he was a jolly small container ship. Most of them seem to be the size of small cities.

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[StugeronSteve]

Re: Container ship in W. Solent

Chris.

No, he was a coastal/cross channel job (Nord See) and to be honest I had no intention of getting close enough to worry him, he probably would have been showing a cylinder though and as such was a bad example to use.

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[Guest]

Don\'t return TOO quickly

If you make that bold turn to port to allow the ship to go through ---- DO NOT THEN TURN BACK too quickly - make sure enough time has passed that he will have no misunderstanding or confusion ....

Having stood on the bridge - if I saw a yacht turn to port then turn back - I would curse him - as now I don't know if he has trouble or telling me I can proceed ......

Be sensible - let him go unimpeeded and keep off course so he knows REALLY what you are doing .... not just reaching for a beer and going off-course for a moment ....

Remember HE has a myriad other things to avoid and look after as well ..... you can run to the shallows - he can't, he has to know where he is precisely, he may have other ships to think about as well as the yacht immediately of concern .....

Sorry but in all threads they tend to talk in singles .... just one yacht and one ship. For the yacht it is simple -plenty of water and can turn a lof quicker and even stop if needed. The ship on the other hand is navigating in constrained waters, avoiding other ships, watching you, listening to VTS etc. etc.

Help him to help you !!


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To Oldhand

If I want to shout on the forum - I use CAPITALS.

My point is that many get lulled into a false sense of security by the regs. They think that the regs will stand up and help them in all situations. The regs do not prevent the early and bold use of engines / courses etc. to avoid close quarters situtaion by any party.
Yes I stood on the bridges of ships from small UK coasters of 900 ton up to my last vessel of 440,000 ton ..... I have sailed on tankers, bulk-carriers, ferrys, seismic, oceanographic research, Tall ships, ...... sod it why should I defend myself.

Why are you taking a stand - is it that I have offended you ? Sorry but thats life. I tend to believe what I have posted and feel I have a point and a right to try and help others not to get into trouble. If my style is not acceptable - then I shall plod off somewhere else should I ?

C'mon Oldhand - I hope the handle - Oldhand - is accurately chosen ?

So finally I still stand on my post - yes I have had some stupid yachts cross me in the Channel ...... ok lets give an example :

270,000 ton tanker - ST. Linga, proceeding from Lyme Bay to Rotterdam after lightering off approx. 70,000 ton to allow us to get through Dover Str.
Cleared EC buoys and commence run through TSS to Dover Str. VHF comes on ..... Tanker position xxxxx this is yacht xxxxx please alter course - we are racing .... over ....
I quckly check his info - understand he's calling me ... so I answer politely Yacht xxxxx I am deep draft and proceeding in TSS, cannot alter course .... suggest you pass ....

Cheeky sod then quoted Rule xx, section xx .... to which by this time I have no time for this - so my reply is rather short and sweet - and exact to the point. There was no misunderstanding on his part - he turned away and did what I suggested .... CG actually called him after and advised him to not impede safe passage of larger vessels ... and that racing did not confer on him special rights. The VHF came alive for a few minutes from other ships that applauded .....

If I could I would help big or small on the water .... but honestly ..... c'mon there's logic and prudent action.

Oh nearly forgot ...... as o boating - started when I was about 5 yrs old when my father carried me on ..... had boats of all sorts since then ... power, sail etc.

I may not be the most experienced, but I still watch and learn from others - to add to my knowledge hopefully making me better on the water ....


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[Guest]

Forgot ......

Amateurs ......

As I see it - these forums are a good mix of Pros and Amateurs ..... and of course different views on many subjects .....

Who said Anchors .....


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Parrelel sit >

Travelling down the motorway - you have the doddery old fart in front of you who insists on staying in outside lane at 70mph. We've all had them ..... won't budge an inch - he's there and he's going to stay ther at all costs.
You now have to break the law to get around him like everyone else who wishes not to cause a tail-back etc.

Now who said that the outside lane is for 70mph and others for slower ? The implied understandaing of this twit at 70mph is that the outside lane is for 70mph whatever.

His standing on and keeping to a non-existent REQUIREMENT is now causing problems in its own right. There is no rule that says he has to be there, in fact if I remember right the Highway code advises to move OUT of that lane whenever possible. Rules are that you should not overtake on the inside, except when avoiding action or other circumstances that dictate.

Now lets assume the twit is now at the helm of his xxx 30ftr crossing the channel ..... He's going to stand on and sod the prudent seamanship bit. For him the rules are absolute.....

Get my point anyone ??????


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[tome]

Re: Parrelel sit >

You're making good use of your keyboard Nigel. It'll be the . or ? key next

I only ever travel in the fast lane, and consider it my duty to slow others to a safe speed behind me.

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I feel better now

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[Twister_Ken]

Go back to your Highway Colregs, Nigel.

On a UK motorway you should always drive in the left hand land unless overtaking slower moving vehicles. And havingo vertaken them you should move back to the lefthand lane again. There is no mention of a slow lane or fast lane.

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