Coll regs & Shipping lanes

[jimi]

Anybody else think it would be a lot simpler if ships following a defined shipping lane had right of way? Not a TSS which needs to be crossed at right angles but just a simple "dodge the big ships" sort of rule. That would enable you to turn to port to go behind them. What do you think?

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[Aardee]

Certainly seems to make sense. Only drawback I can see is that it's far too simple to catch on!!

Could it have an adverse effect on insurance premiums if the small vessel is always in the wrong in the event of a collision?

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[Rowana]

Rule 10 (j) says "A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the safe passage of of a power driven vessel following a traffic lane"

I assume tha this covers it. No?

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[jimi]

this only applies to TSS

(a) This rule applies to traffic separation schemes adopted by the Organization and does not relieve any vessel of her obligation under any other rule.


However there are many shipping lanes which are not TSS



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[Rowana]

So how do you define a shipping lane, then??

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[jimi]

in one of two ways
1) By international treaty
or 2) Whenever you see a big ship

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[Rowana]

Keep out of the way

Being a devout coward all my life, I always keep out of the way of big ships.

Is that good enough ?

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[tome]

In some ways it would be a good idea, especially in the Solent and Channel. I can tell you the colours of the helmsmans eyes on a couple of the Wightlink ferries. I would much prefer a clear ruling that we give way, rather than the 'will she, won't she' roulette we play at times. It's ok when sailing free, but otherwise can get a little exciting.

Only problem is what happens to a yacht caught in fog without radar? It's a sitting duck if the ship can assume an automatic right of way unless there's supervisory monitoring, as in TSS's.

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[jimi]

In fog I think different rules should apply ie normal restricted visibility rules where every boat is the give way one!

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[Little_Russel]

That seems to be what most people do anyway.

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[jimi]

unless of course you want turn to port which under the existing CR can be dangerous . .. you end up paralleing until its ahead and then turn to port .. much easier if you could go whichever way you want relying on Mr Big to carry on

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[Twister_Ken]

A problem of defintion

Which shipping lane?

Trouble is where there is no TSS there are no shipping lanes unless there's a clear way of defining them, like buoyed channels. If we think of the bit of water most of us know best, twixt IOW and Cherbourg, then the majority of shipping goes east-west or vice versa. But a substantial proportion leaves that flow to head for the Nab, the Needles or Le Havre, while x-channel ferries plough a north-south furrow. So, who gives way to whom? Wouldn't work unless it were very tightly defined.

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[Evadne]

It sounds like a good idea, being what most people do most of the time anyway but while crossing the channel to/from France on a clear day or night is fairly straightforward, being forced to give way to ferries that can load passengers, cross the Solent and disembark them before I've crossed their track on a calm day would be a serious problem for me.
I'd also not be enthusiastic about radically different rules in clear vis. and fog: one of the conclusions in a recent case was that neither party was clear about what the rules are in fog. If one rule said that big ships can plough on at 30 knots when its clear but have to give way to yachts in the fog, then I can guess what would actually happen in the fog, sooner or later. It only takes one to get it wrong. I think, on balance, that the 'not turning to port' rule similarly comes under the "KISS" principle of accident prevention.

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[davel]

ARRGGHH!
Does this mean that Raggies have to give way to Stinkies !! /forums/images/icons/wink.gif


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[StugeronSteve]

It would prove a regulatory nightmare and receive broad support from the legal coves. I really do not like to see pleasure boats impeding vessels that are plying their trade and, to the very best of my memory, have never done so myself. I think courtesy to commercial vessels should be considered good practise and, as such, be strongly recommended by the RYA. In good visibility you can soon see how the other vessel is reacting to your turn to port and there is nothing to stop you hailing him on vhf (if he's listening) to inform him of your intentions.

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[Peppermint]

Re: When did you...

...last excercise your rights or privliges under the IRPC, over a ship?





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[Guest]

No simple ----

I have a policy of bold alteration of course so that he knows waht I have done and I keep out of his way ......

Why ? Because I can see him a a damn site easier than he can see me !!!

Do I stand on ? You must be kidding !!!! I am not about to bounce along the side of a steel giant with my little GRP wonder !!!!


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[jimi]

Hailing on VHF is an extremely bad idea .. and is not recommended! However in bad weather I have been tempted to send ou a securitie announcement on CH16 broadcasting my position,course & speed ... ain't done it yet but it has crossed my mind.

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[tome]

If x-Channel I'd be more inclined to do it on CH13 as it's monitored for bridge to bridge plus CROSS Jobourg monitors it and controls their TSS on this channel. They don't dare miss many comms from Joburg so will be listening, probably with CH16 turned down to a whisper.

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[StugeronSteve]

Never tried hailing myself but I did hear one instance when a yacht offered to alter course and was instructed to stand on and the let the ship make adjustments.

I have called seismic survey vessels before to check on the safe stand off distances etc. and been thanked for enquiring.

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